Corrupted-Justice.Net

I Was Curious How scootiebouy Would Handle the News

2009-07-01T13:41:00.000-07:00

Ah - the good old days - I sort of miss them.

Back then little scootiebouy was always paranoid about having his little den of pedos hacked and attacked. He'd blame all and sundry - lashing out at anyone who had an internet connection it seemed at times.

So today - the day after Bruce is arrested for a concentrated dDoS attack against several websites - scootie ignores all the news and publishes a FRONT PAGE article claiming that it was his little pedo den that was the Corrupted-Justice mentioned in the articles.

Somehow he manages to miss every article that points at us - and selects the only one that leaves off the TLD (.net, .com etc) and decides that his pedo den is the one being discussed.

He even has the balls to say - despite reams of evidence - that Bruce was never a member at the colon.

Now that is fine with me. Really. scootie needs all the help he can get to try and keep his pedo den up and running. Posts are scant and often from the disenfranshised whack jobs who feel it is ok to fuck children.

Those of us with some time at colon (of course as readers only - we never post) know that there are many threads where scootie blames PJ for the problems he has had in his life. We all remember the random spam snail mail his wife got to cure her wrinkly hide - hell many of us remember when he got banned from PJ and then became Art Dodger - writing to all and sundry to whine and complain about his banning. Then colon was born and the pedos had a new safe haven - helpfully led by none other then the mother of a pedo - Julie Cison.

We also remember his whining and complaining that the FBI or other police forces would not take him seriously about the attacks. He quoted some ridiculous number - $50,000 I believe to pursue his supposed attackers.

Suddenly the tide has turned. And scootie wants on the bandwagon. He demands his time in the spotlight.

Corrupted-Justice.NET is the site named in every article I have seen in the last 24 hours - and there are a lot of articles circulating out there now. It was our site Bruce went after - and he bragged about it on colon - laughed about it - and was encouraged by scootie and others to continue his attacks.

CJ was the site targeted by Bruce - not colon - he was loved and accepted at colon - encouraged and pampered.

I am guessing scootie was up all night last night searching out every post ever made by Bruce on colon and deleting them.

scootie demands recognition from someone - his kids have abandoned him - his wife refused to order the secret chemicals that would have smoothed her ass out and made it younger looking - something I am sure he would have hankered over.

Deleting posts won't help you scootie. I bet you are concerned that you missed a few. Would you like us to go thru our records and send all of them to you so that you can be double sure?

Bite me asshole.
Phil

Bruce Raisley

2009-06-30T14:58:00.000-07:00

I am torn here. Simply at a loss as to what to say.

I could ramble for a few hours about Bruce - the sad pathetic man that he was and how he got worse.

I could post excerpts from his conversations with what he thought was a woman - I could post pictures of him attempting to fuck around on his wife.

I could post his insane ramblings on PJ - even insaner ramblings on dot colon.

I could post the logs of his attacks on the sites I owned at the time - including CJ - I wish I had recorded his phone calls - there is no second party law in Canada. I do have his "maybe" emails where he apologizes for the attacks and asks forgiveness.

But I don't have to. One day this asshole woke up and decided to bend over - place his head between his knees and eat himself from the ass up. He did a great job.

I only have to post this...

Feds arrest man allegedly behind DDoS attacks against Rolling Stone
Pennsylvania man reportedly went after sites that ran stories about 'cybervigilante' group
By Sharon Gaudin
June 30, 2009 03:07 PM ET

Computerworld - A Pennsylvania man has been charged with allegedly launching distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks against at least nine Web sites, including Rolling Stone magazine's site, which was attacked multiple times for nearly a year.

Bruce Raisley, of Monaca, Pa., has been charged with intentionally causing damage to a protected computer. Raisley, who surrendered to authorities, is scheduled for a court hearing this afternoon in U.S. District Court in Newark, N.J.

According to FBI Special Agent Susan Secco's written account in a criminal complaint, Raisley allegedly launched repeated DDoS attacks against several Web sites for close to a year. All of the sites targeted ran one of two articles about the controversial organization Perverted Justice, which works to identify sexual predators and pedophiles. The group worked with the producers of Dateline NBC's popular To Catch a Predator reality TV show, which aimed to catch adults in the act of contacting minors for sexual liaisons.

Secco noted in the criminal complaint that Raisley had worked as a volunteer for Perverted Justice in 2004. Raisley supposedly had a falling out with the group, and in 2006 he began volunteering with Corrupted Justice, an organization focused on outing so-called cybervigilante groups.

In 2006, Radar Magazine published an article titled "Strange Bedfellows" about Perverted Justice. The next year, Rolling Stone magazine published its own article on Perverted Justice called "To Catch a Predator: The New American Witch Hunt." Both articles were picked up and reprinted on various Web sites.

The Rolling Stone article contends that the leaders behind Perverted Justice sought revenge against Raisley for criticizing their tactics. To pay him back, one man allegedly pretended to be a woman online and lured Raisley into a fraudulent relationship simply to embarrass him.

The FBI agent said Raisley allegedly used a botnet to launch repeated attacks, not only against the Rolling Stone Web site, but against the page with the article, in particular. "During the height of the DDoS attacks, the page requests for the article escalated from a few page requests per day to millions of page requests per day, causing the Web site to experience significant slowdown," wrote Secco.

Other sites attacked include Perverted-Justice.com, Corrupted-Justice.net and RadarOnline.com.

In a search of Raisley's home, the FBI reportedly seized computers and electronics, including a 2GB memory stick, which held copies of programs used in the attacks. Raisley also allegedly told FBI agents that he wrote the programs on the memory stick.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=cybercrime_and_hacking&articleId=9135003&taxonomyId=82&intsrc=kc_top

Nobody Out There is Dangerous

2009-04-03T14:49:00.000-07:00

A common arguement amoungst the colonites and on many self-serving blogs is that PJ never catches a dangerous person. Everyone caught by PJ is a first timer. They never intended to harm the child - all the props, guns, ropes, chains, garbage bags in the trunk were for their own use later - once they made sure the child was ok.

One would think - that when you are dealing with men who have a longing to have sex with children and teens - you'd suspect you were dealing with a dangerous person. Really - this guy wants to fuck your 14 year old child.

Common sense would tell a normal person that the 319 convictions posted at PJ are all dangerous men. Each of these guys wants to fuck your 14 year old child.

I'd like to introduce you to another dangerous guy. Another PJ bust and conviction.

I'd like you to meet Timothy Eugene Thompson. Tim had the bad luck to run into a PJ contributor. That conversation got him 2 life sentences. Yep - 2 life sentences.

PRESS RELEASE – TWO LIFE SENTENCES IN SOLICITATION OF MINOR CASE

A Montgomery County Jury handed down two life sentences to Timothy Eugene Thompson, a registered sex offender, for two counts of Online Solicitation of a Minor. Thompson utilized his computer to engage in sexually explicit conversations with a member of Perverted Justice, a private organization that targets sex offenders, who was representing herself as a 13 year old girl. Joel Daniels, the prosecutor in the case, presented evidence that after the Thompson solicited the “minor” to engage in sexual contact, the case was brought to the District Attorney’s Office. Chris Smith, an investigator with the District Attorney’s Office and a member of the Montgomery County Crimes Against Children Task Force, obtained a search warrant for the defendant’s residence and discovered evidence confirming the illegal solicitation. The defendant had a prior conviction for Sexual Assault of a Child, and punishment evidence included testimony from other children he had victimized.

“We should all realize that the internet, while a blessing, has become a tool for pedophiles to reach out and victimize our children,” said District Attorney Brett Ligon. “Prisons were built to protect society from men like Mr. Thompson. We fully support the hard work of the Conroe Police Department, the Montgomery County Sherriff’s Office and the FBI and their task force’s pledge to monitor the internet for the perverted tentacles of sex offenders looking to prey on our innocents.”

Poor Tim. Nothing dangerous about him right?

But wait....seems Tim likes to be called Mark. And jeez - here he is being listed as an SRO way back in 2005...

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=40973

Nothing dangerous about this guy. All he wanted was a little sex from a 13 year old.

And gets busted...

http://www.co.montgomery.tx.us/mcso/JailRosterDetail.asp?jailid=304046

A smart judge sees the danger here - normal people see the danger here - thankfully this dangerous man will never be allowed to prey on children again.

Time To Play Name Post A Caption With Everyones Favorite White Trash Tranny

2009-02-25T11:23:00.000-08:00

I figure its time for some fun. Let's see who can come up with the best caption for this picture.

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skank.png

"Fighting Wikisposure" - A Guest Commentary

2008-12-14T16:04:00.000-08:00

Today we have a guest piece written by a certain Mr. Mulligrubs, who found much entertainment in the usual idiocy of the .Com crew. After the jump, the .Com pedo appears in italics, Mully writes in normal text.

krepta8
Getting started
Joined: 25 Apr 2008
Posts: 10

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: Fighting Wikisposure

Hello, I'm new here.

Howdy krepta8! I'm Mr. Mulligrubs, and will be providing commentary on your thread today.

I will certainly post more information about myself as soon as time allows, but for now I will say my personal information was recently posted on this website, including my name, address, cell phone number, etc.

Well don't bother posting more information about yourself then, since it's all there on Wikisposure. What more do we need? Why would you offer to post more information about yourself on the internet when you seem to have an issue with your personal information being posted on the internet? It's like you're doing all the work for us. That's no fun. At least fucking try.

I have come here looking for information to determine the best way to counteract this act of cyber-stalking and threat to my and others' safety and privacy.

I've got a plan! To stop this cyber-stalking of posting personal information about yourself on the internet, you can counter-strike with posting personal information about yourself on the internet! It's the last thing they'd expect, like preemptively shooting yourself in the head to foil a sniper... genius!

I do plan to consult a lawyer very soon (I must wait out the weekend). Until then, I would like to see what sort of advice you all might be able to give me and what sort of information I might be able to present a lawyer or use myself in a case against the members of this site.

You're suing? Oh no, Christ no, please, not that. Anything but that. The repercussions for posting your publicly available personal information that you apparently drop everywhere as soon as time allows will undoubtedly be horrifying.

For now, I am aware that photos taken by an individual automatically have copyright protection.

Oh man, the whole internet as I know it is in trouble! First Wikisposure, then Fat Chicks in Party Hats... what site will be left after your legal onslaught of momentous proportions? Does it even matter? Those two are the very best.

My first step will be to notify them of this fact and demand that they take the images of me off of their websites and delete them from their hard drive.

You can take away our website, but you'll never take away our hard drive! That means Xavier would have to download the World of Warcraft update from scratch. Do you know how long that takes? You, sir, are a ruthless opponent.

(Pretztail note: I think Xavier will take exception to the idea that he plays World of Warcraft, watch your back Mr. Mulligrubs!)

However, I have a feeling this is something that will have to be accomplished within the court case itself. Has anyone else been successful in invoking copyright ownership?

I have a feeling you will leave court feeling sad.

Also, I read on the homepage about the civil lawsuit being filed by Jan Kruska. First of all, is there any way others that have been victimized might band together to help offset the costs of a lawsuit? Alternatively, if I file a lawsuit on my own, can anybody tell me what sort of documentation might be useful to prove the libelous nature of Perverted-Justice and their wikisposure website?

Bring a big poster print out of your own Wikisposure page stuffed with all that libelous stuff you kindly provided us to hang you with. Then, explain to the judge how it's all mean and icky to use your own words against you. I'm sure he'll appreciate your sagacity, especially if he's using a penis pump during the trial. That's the key to your success. You must get a penis pump judge.

Any help is appreciated, and we might help many more than ourselves. I invite everyone to contribute to this thread. Thank you.

You've invited my contributions? I'll take you up on that, thank you, as I am a gentleman and don't wish to be rude.

Did you know that in court you won't be allowed to wear your "Rocky the Racoon" semen-encrusted furry suit? Maybe you can tough it out for a couple days and "go pedophile commando," i.e. just wear diapers under your stretchy pants.

Regards,

Mr. Mulligrubs

Avenging Idiot Has Issues Oh Noz

2008-10-17T12:14:00.000-07:00

avengingangel1958True conversationalist
Joined: 17 Aug 2007Posts: 216
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:00 am Post subject:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fallenone, i am not interested in anyone's past. I don't care what you were accused of, nor is it my business. We all have made mistakes, that's part of life. What's in a person's past should be left there.
Listen, i am going through allot of shit over my daughter, and our corrupt local CPS, in addition to being kept up all night by a very irritatable 11-month old. So i am stressed out to the point of saying "fuck it, i'm out of here", and i'm snapping at everyone.
So don't take anything i say in these next few days personal, cause i have a hard time dealing with such stress.

First of all sweets Derek (Fallenone) was not accused of anything he is a CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER. Yes a SEX OFFENDER you dolt.

Having trouble with your local CPS? Interesting. In all my years of being a parent I have never had contact with CPS. How I wonder what is going on in your house??? Hmmmmm

JILTED LOVER GETS REVENGE VIGILANTE STYLE

2008-10-08T06:06:00.000-07:00

Say it isn't so. Heidi Heidi Heidi when are you going to learn?

Ok here we go again. Have at it kids!

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/5508/ripoffreportjudithandrirz2.jpg

CJ's White Trash Matriarch Makes The News

2008-10-05T13:42:00.001-07:00

Check her out in all her glory!

http://tinyurl.com/3nyngn

Ugly skank risks Hepatitis C for cartoon-ish tattoo on her arm?

2008-09-15T11:29:00.000-07:00

http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ewwwwwuv0.jpg

Scott Morrow's "no blood, no foul" Excuse Raises It's Head Again.

2008-08-26T19:06:00.000-07:00

Dang. It's been slower here, than Derek Logue flipping pages in a child model magazine. So I thought I'd try to jump start it by posting, once again, how CJ lead enabler, Scott Morrow, makes excuses for predators by wanting them to be caught raping a child before it being illegal.

Scott Morrow
( http://www.corrupted-justice.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9737 ) - In the US, in an effort to get around the sticky issue of the fact that in reality, no physical crime has been committed because no actual child was involved, they have, in many states, enacted new laws or modified current ones to state that (I'm paraphrasing here) "Anyone who chats in a sexual manner with someone they believe to be a minor is committing an offense."

The logic used suggests that such a law is necessary in order to prevent the actual crime from occurring by catching those who have shown that they would commit such a crime if given the opportunity, even though they may not yet have actually physically harmed anyone.

In Canada (and I believe Britain as well) it's a little more complicated (and reasonable if you ask me...) Here, it is illegal to solicit someone to commit a crime. In other words, if you provide someone the means to commit a crime, for example by pretending to be a horny teeny-bopper and trying to convince adults to come over for an illegal sexual tryst, YOU would be committing a crime by soliciting a criminal act - You're basically trying to convince someone to commit a crime. That is one of the reasons PJ hasn't been able to get a foot-hold here.

Unfortunately, in the US (in most states) they have bjavascript:void(0)
Publish Postasically chosen to ignore this very logical and reasonable facet of the law in the case of baiting predators. Why? Because people like Xavier Von Erck find it easy and irresistible to convince gullible sheep-like citizens of the self-serving bullshit that predators are everywhere and "stranger-danger" is a legitimate cause for concern.

That's right Scott Morrow believes if a child isn't physically molested or raped then no crime has happened. This is why predators and RSO's gravitate to his site. They are coddled to and pampered. They are taught that unless they actually penetrate a child then they are victims themselves.

Scott Morrow has done more damage to children by enabling predators, than the predators themselves.

Welcome Back Heidi We Missed You

2008-07-22T10:08:00.000-07:00

I just want to take a moment and welcome Heidi back from her sabbatical. Admiting you have a problem is the first step my friend and I take comfort in knowing that you can admit when you have a problem and work to resolve those issues.
We here at corrupted-justice.net know that we get under your wrinkled skin but you are learning to know when it's time to step back and collect yourself. Let me just say this hun, slow down, relax, don't let us get you so worked up that you need to take a break. Yea I know we make fun of your adams apple and how you are really a man and not a woman or how ugly you are but in all honesty I just want to say that I missed your nasty little temper while you were gone and I hope its still intact.
Now lets play!

What Chrysalis doesn't know, didn't happen.

2008-07-10T20:11:00.000-07:00

Chrysalis - Yes we do have several RSO members that have joined us in recent months.It's true.But those people have paid their price and to my knowledge have not reoffended.Just trying to live a quiet life and society won't let them it seems.I can understand their anger.

That's right... they have NOT REOFFENDED? How can she be sure... well it's simple. She hasn't heard anything about it, and Chrysalis is the one all RSO's go to, when they offend. In fact my understanding is that even those not labeled RSO (yet) have not offended if Chrysalis isn't aware of the offense.

Thank goodness we have someone like Chrysalis to let us know that RSO's are safe.

DENIED

2008-07-02T08:44:00.000-07:00

6/12/2008 ENTRY DENYING PETITION CONTESTING RECLASSIFICATION AND NEW REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS PURSUANT TO R.C. 2950.031(E)

DEREK LOGUE REMAINS AN RSO.

Brief Hiatus in Installments

2008-06-09T01:29:00.003-07:00

Fear not, you've yet to hear the last of the tales of how CJ has tried to help PJ busts.

In my line of work, it's a very busy time of year. Things should slow down sufficiently in the next week or so and I'll be back to making Dodger throw ashtrays at Heidi; making Rennie glare at Jay out of her one good eye; making Sven say "Oh Gollie!"

Please do stay tuned in.

Corrupted Justice and "Bust Interception" Part VIII

2008-05-19T09:21:00.000-07:00

A day late, a dollar short and recycling a previously written article. Tim Sheldon aka Oberon318

CJ.com tries to help Tim Sheldon
part of Interference with Law Enforcement | posted on May 4, 2005 1:29 PM PST

You'll often hear Dodger whine about the repeating downloadings of his "hidden" forums. He claims that doing so was this big egregious harm upon their operations. In truth, it was, because it revealed the exact extent of their operations against law enforcement and the criminal justice system. Information taken from their hidden forums was turned over to police by ourselves because they were sitting on and hiding relevant evidence of an individual who admits to attempting to prey on a child.

In the thread entitled - oberon318--SUCCESS from their "Bust intercept Discussions" forum, a very interesting conversation took place between CJ.com lead interceptor Trex and a man known as Tim Sheldon. We'll repost the chat they had in it's entirity. We have often stated that CJ.com works with those facing criminal charges, hoping to get them found innocent. They do not turn over the information they find from these criminals to law enforcement or prosecutors. They sit on valuable evidence that could be used to convict child groomers and why? Because they are, as we've continually stated, on the side of pedophiles.

Posted by Trex using the CJ.com approved "here to help" ID's on Yahoo...

(22:29:33) GinnysWorld1033: hi
(22:29:41) Here To Help 10: who's this?
(22:29:49) GinnysWorld1033: just got email from ya
(22:30:00) Here To Help 10: ok
(22:30:16) GinnysWorld1033: tjs318
(22:30:36) Here To Help 10: right--how did you get my trex132 email addy?
(22:30:49) GinnysWorld1033: you gave it to me in a voicemail
(22:30:52) Here To Help 10: ok
(22:30:54) GinnysWorld1033: last saturday
(22:30:56) Here To Help 10: good answer:)
(22:31:12) GinnysWorld1033: this is my mom's sn
(22:31:19) GinnysWorld1033: so i'll message you first
(22:31:31) Here To Help 10: ok--you get the long email I sent, with all the advice in it?
(22:31:36) GinnysWorld1033: yes
(22:31:39) GinnysWorld1033: i had already done that
(22:31:49) GinnysWorld1033: but none of that saved me
(22:31:54) Here To Help 10: good. I hear things are going badly for you right now
(22:32:00) GinnysWorld1033: yes
(22:32:10) Here To Help 10: have you been fired?
(22:32:15) GinnysWorld1033: yes
(22:32:23) GinnysWorld1033: asked to resign
(22:32:29) Here To Help 10: shit--I am so sorry. If you want to sue, we can help you do that
(22:32:43) Here To Help 10: have there been any criminal charges?
(22:32:44) GinnysWorld1033: i'm on administrative leave
(22:32:50) GinnysWorld1033: not as yet
(22:32:59) Here To Help 10: any police incolvement at all?
(22:33:02) GinnysWorld1033: yes
(22:33:09) Here To Help 10: ok--stay calm
(22:33:17) GinnysWorld1033: i'm trying
(22:33:38) Here To Help 10: the best thing you can do is to cooperate with the cops as fully as possible, but GET a LAWYER immediately
(22:33:49) GinnysWorld1033: already did
(22:34:01) GinnysWorld1033: lawyer was first thing on monday
(22:34:12) Here To Help 10: good--now the next piece of advice is going to be hard, bur DO NOT ERASE YOUR HARD DRIVE
(22:34:16) Here To Help 10: it is now evidence
(22:34:45) Here To Help 10: your attorney can use any chat archives to see if there are discrepencies
(22:35:24) Here To Help 10: and your attorney shoudl get in touch with admin@corrupted-justice asap, to get our legal package and learn more about the people awho are doing this to you
(22:35:41) GinnysWorld1033: who are they?
(22:35:59) Here To Help 10: the site owner is named
Phillip John Eide, of Portland Oregon
(22:36:17) Here To Help 10: I dont have the ID of the creep who entrapped you, but we have several other IDs as well
(22:36:33) GinnysWorld1033: yeah
(22:36:38) GinnysWorld1033: what is your role in all this>
(22:37:01) Here To Help 10: I am not sure if your state is one that makes chatting with someone you THINK is a minor, but iof not, you have an advantage
(22:37:18) Here To Help 10: my role is to help people like you,
who have had their civil rights violated
(22:37:25) GinnysWorld1033: ah
(22:37:35) GinnysWorld1033: is this your work? or a vocation?
(22:37:44) GinnysWorld1033: just for my own edification
(22:37:56) Here To Help 10: we are trying to shut PJ down, using all legal means possible, and to help people avoid the situation you now face--the harassment, I mean
(22:38:08) GinnysWorld1033: right
(22:38:17) Here To Help 10: this is a volunteer job--I am a nurse who works a 45 hours week
(22:38:23) GinnysWorld1033: i am wondering why the ri aclu hasn't done anything
(22:38:28) GinnysWorld1033: wow
(22:38:32) GinnysWorld1033: well thanks for doing it
(22:38:35) GinnysWorld1033: it's important work
(22:38:40) Here To Help 10: the aclu only works with the govt infringing on peoples rights
(22:38:51) Here To Help 10: they wont get involved in this--we have tried
(22:39:21) Here To Help 10: what have the police said or done?
(22:39:26) GinnysWorld1033: well that's quite sad
(22:39:31) Here To Help 10: it is
(22:39:36) GinnysWorld1033: they called
(22:39:38) Here To Help 10: ok
(22:39:38) GinnysWorld1033: wanted me to come in
(22:39:42) GinnysWorld1033: lawyer said no
(22:39:43) Here To Help 10: did you?
(22:39:46) Here To Help 10: ok
(22:39:48) GinnysWorld1033: no conversations
(22:39:56) GinnysWorld1033: unless my client is charged
(22:40:10) GinnysWorld1033: they searched my place
(22:40:23) Here To Help 10: good so far. If they dont press charges, then you have good grounds for a lawsuit--we have another case where the guy got cleared by the police, and he is now suing
(22:40:33) Here To Help 10: did they find anything incriminating?
(22:41:09) GinnysWorld1033: they took a cable bill, cd-roms (all of which have either music or computer stuff), a nic card, and a picture of a "young male"
(22:41:19) GinnysWorld1033: the young male is probably a picture of a graduate
(22:41:26) GinnysWorld1033: given to me by that person
(22:41:30) Here To Help 10: how young? over 18, you think?
(22:41:34) GinnysWorld1033: oh yes
(22:41:38) Here To Help 10: ok--good
(22:41:49) Here To Help 10: so nothing that could hurt you then
(22:42:04) GinnysWorld1033: not that i'm aware of
(22:42:37) GinnysWorld1033: in my job, i came in contact with many detectives and officers
(22:42:40) GinnysWorld1033: i'm hoping that helps
(22:43:04) Here To Help 10: great. I strongly advise you to have your lawyer email our administration for more information. At the very least, we can give him info about the iner workings of PJ, and if there are crimninal charges, we can help out with the investigations we have done so far
(22:43:22) Here To Help 10: so there is good will with the cops, then? Glad to hear that
(22:43:22) GinnysWorld1033: ok
(22:43:28) GinnysWorld1033: well
(22:43:30) GinnysWorld1033: idk
(22:43:34) GinnysWorld1033: i'd like to think so
(22:43:43) GinnysWorld1033: i mean they have to do their jobs
(22:44:17) Here To Help 10: lets hope it for you. The thing is, it was a fantasy person you chatted with. Who knows if you had any intention to meet, or even thojguht it was a minor, and not an adult role-playing
(22:44:30) GinnysWorld1033: right
(22:44:41) GinnysWorld1033: i had no intention of it
(22:44:45) Here To Help 10: people role-play on the net all the time
(22:45:27) Here To Help 10: to be honest, I dont care if you had the chat or wanted to meet. My role is just to help and support youthrough this, and give what advice I can
(22:45:38) GinnysWorld1033: i understand
(22:45:48) GinnysWorld1033: that was a mere response
(22:45:56) GinnysWorld1033: i understand at this point
(22:46:08) GinnysWorld1033: a lot of kids are outraged
(22:46:12) GinnysWorld1033: a few have contacted me
(22:46:17) GinnysWorld1033: i tell htem i can't discuss it
(22:46:22) GinnysWorld1033: several graduates have called
(22:46:26) GinnysWorld1033: they
too are outraged
(22:46:31) GinnysWorld1033: particularly at this site
(22:46:39) GinnysWorld1033: but none of that really matters
(22:46:44) GinnysWorld1033: job is gone
(22:46:50) GinnysWorld1033: life will have to start over
(22:47:23) Here To Help 10: they should be outraged at PJ, not at you. You got set up and smeared by anonyo\mous vigilantes. You never met anybody and you have not been charged. You are INNOCENT until proven guilty in a court of law
(22:47:40) GinnysWorld1033: exactly
(22:47:49) GinnysWorld1033: my lawyer is firm in not talking with the police
(22:47:52) GinnysWorld1033: he's had bad experience with it
(22:47:54) Here To Help 10: people tend to forget this, as it is a hot button issue
(22:48:01) GinnysWorld1033: more entrapment
(22:48:25) Here To Help 10: you are under no obligation to talk to the cops until you are ordered to appear at the precinct
(22:48:47) GinnysWorld1033: what got you involved in this?
(22:48:51) Here To Help 10: and even then, you dont have to answer questions without your attorney to advise you. Dont volunteer any info at all
(22:49:01) GinnysWorld1033: oh i won't
(22:49:54) Here To Help 10: I found PJ in an article in the NYTimes, started reading, and actually participated in some harassment. Until someone tried to kill themself on webcam whiel I was harassing them. That scared me and made me see how dangerous PJ was and I decided to try and help stop them
(22:50:13) GinnysWorld1033: wow
(22:50:22) Here To Help 10: thye are a VERY dangerous group
(22:50:31) Here To Help 10: and they ahve done this to morte than 800 people
(22:50:43) GinnysWorld1033: i've gotten a dose of them
(22:50:46) GinnysWorld1033: obviously
(22:51:08) Here To Help 10: only 5 of them have been convicted of anything--they dont as a rule like to involve the police--they prefer to destroy somebody themselves
(22:51:23) GinnysWorld1033: right
(22:51:29) GinnysWorld1033: but they promise to call the police
(22:51:37) Here To Help 10: there is a chancethis will all blow over
(22:51:51) Here To Help 10: they try to frighten you and break you psychologically
(22:51:59) GinnysWorld1033: that won't happen with me
(22:52:03) GinnysWorld1033: i don't care about them
(22:52:09) GinnysWorld1033: sorry to say
(22:52:40) Here To Help 10: good--stay strong and focused, and stay in touch with your attorney and us, and we will all do what we can to help you. I wil stand by you through all of this if you need me to
(22:52:57) GinnysWorld1033: why thanks
(22:53:00) GinnysWorld1033: it's kind of you
(22:53:10) GinnysWorld1033: i do have many supportive people
(22:53:20) Here To Help 10: no problem. Iike the screen name says, I am "here to help":)
(22:53:32) Here To Help 10: good--you need al the support you cnaq get right now
(22:53:57) GinnysWorld1033: why were the five convicted?
(22:53:58) Here To Help 10: does you family know?
(22:54:03) GinnysWorld1033: oh yes
(22:54:05) GinnysWorld1033: all know
(22:54:31) Here To Help 10: various reasons rabging from parole violation to merely having the chat. The lawvaries form state to state
(22:54:44) GinnysWorld1033: right
(22:54:51) GinnysWorld1033: wish i knew about RI's
(22:54:55) GinnysWorld1033: have to make inquiry
(22:55:13) Here To Help 10: the inmportant thing to focus on is more than 800 perople HAVE NOT been convicted and most not even contacted by police
(22:55:26) Here To Help 10: let me
check for you while we chat
(22:55:30) GinnysWorld1033: right
(22:57:13) Here To Help 10: jst checked rgode island AOC, but see nothing so far about internet
(22:57:20) GinnysWorld1033: k
(22:57:40) Here To Help 10: still digging
(22:57:54) Here To Help 10: you are on admin leave vs being fired?
(22:58:00) GinnysWorld1033: yes
(22:58:19) GinnysWorld1033: but i've been asked to submit my resignation
(22:58:29) Here To Help 10: dont do it--fight it
(22:58:34) Here To Help 10: doyou have a union?
(22:58:40) GinnysWorld1033: no
(22:58:43) GinnysWorld1033: it's a private school
(22:58:58) GinnysWorld1033: they'll just non renew me
(22:59:40) Here To Help 10: thats better than a resignation--maybe if worst comes to worst you can negotiate to resign with a reference
(23:00:29) GinnysWorld1033: yes
(23:00:36) GinnysWorld1033: i've got to talk to my attorney about this
(23:00:56) Here To Help 10: do so. I hope he is agressive. do you know hiom, or did you just find him?
(23:01:07) GinnysWorld1033: no i know him
(23:01:11) Here To Help 10: good
(23:01:11) GinnysWorld1033: he's quite aggressive
(23:01:12) GinnysWorld1033: but
(23:01:15) Here To Help 10: better!
(23:01:19) GinnysWorld1033: he said if he has to defend me
(23:01:22) GinnysWorld1033: it can get costly
(23:01:28) GinnysWorld1033: and that i may want to use public defender
(23:01:34) Here To Help 10: lawyers are very expensive, I now
(23:01:46) GinnysWorld1033: friends have offered to help
(23:02:27) Here To Help 10: i cant advise you on that...I am glad your friends are willing to help. It is likely, though, that the police will lose interest if they found nothing in the search of your house
(23:02:42) GinnysWorld1033: yeah
(23:02:50) Here To Help 10: did they not take the computer?
(23:02:59) GinnysWorld1033: there was no computer to take
(23:03:12) Here To Help 10: where was thecomputer you chatted on?
(23:03:47) GinnysWorld1033: can't discuss that on the advice of my attorney
(23:03:54) Here To Help 10: fine--great answer
(23:04:08) Here To Help 10: the less info you give to peopel the betetr
(23:04:14) GinnysWorld1033: oh i know
(23:04:26) GinnysWorld1033: anyhoo, off to grab a bite to eat
(23:04:31) Here To Help 10: has there been much harassment? does PJ know your address?
(23:04:35) GinnysWorld1033: i appreciate your time
(23:04:47) Here To Help 10: ok--please stay in touch, and if there is anything i can do to help, just ask
(23:05:14) GinnysWorld1033: they may know it
(23:05:20) GinnysWorld1033: but i'll be out of there soon
(23:05:36) Here To Help 10: listen--they ahve sometimes sent flyers to neighbors. Not EVERY tinme, but it happens. Just to warn you
(23:05:50) Here To Help 10: good--and if you mover, DO NOT pout a forwarding address
(23:05:51) GinnysWorld1033: all my neighbors know
(23:05:56) Here To Help 10: they can get that from the post office
(23:06:01) GinnysWorld1033: oh?
(23:06:18) Here To Help 10: yes--they send a letter and on it ask the post office to give the new addy
(23:06:22) Here To Help 10: they have done that before
(23:06:27) GinnysWorld1033: hmm
(23:06:37) GinnysWorld1033: just sent that out
(23:06:40) GinnysWorld1033: i wonder if i can change it
(23:06:45) Here To Help 10: give your new addy directly to the people you want to know, and do NOT do a general forward
(23:07:00) GinnysWorld1033: i wonder if i can cancel
(23:07:02) Here To Help 10: call the post office tomorrow and tell them to pout a stop on it
(23:07:07) GinnysWorld1033: ok
(23:07:13) GinnysWorld1033: good advice
(23:07:14) GinnysWorld1033: thanks
(23:07:19) Here To Help 10: no sensse inhaving them fuck you over twice
(23:07:25) GinnysWorld1033: right
(23:07:31) GinnysWorld1033: ok off to eat
(23:07:34) GinnysWorld1033: thanks
(23:07:47) Here To Help 10: ok--get your dinner and IM me when ever you wish. I am online as much as possible
(23:07:51) Here To Help 10: take care
(23:07:52) Here To Help 10: bye

The above conversation is one between Tim Sheldon and Trex, who at the time was the official Corrupted-Justice.com contacter of busts. He knows this man is under investigation by the police. He knows this person is hiding evidence. Does he contact Rhode Island police about Sheldon's BS? Or does he give the guy advice to not turn over information?

Obviously, his advice was not to turn over
information. Don't turn over the hard drive, hide it. Give no information. He attempts to keep a sexual solicitator out of jail. Gives specific advice about how to avoid charges. This is corrupted-justice.com. This conversationw as posted in full view of every administration of Corrupted-Justice.com. Not one spoke up about turning this over to police. Not one expressed trepidation at hiding such information from the criminal court process. Why? Simple.

This is what Corrupted-Justice.com does. They are currently working with many individuals facing criminal charges. Tim Sheldon was just one man. They are working with Ryan Hogan, charged federally. They are working with J. Robert Andrews, who had child porn found on his computer. They are working with Carl Barcelona, who groomed a child and instructed the kid to "take the hard drive out" before meeting. These are the people who Corrupted-Justice.com are interested in aiding. In helping. In securing their "civil rights" to avoid prosecution and sexually solicit children.

But this had a happy ending. Even though Corrupted-Justice.com withheld this evidence from police, when we got in there? We didn't. We let everyone who needed to know, have this conversation. As a result? Tim Sheldon pled No Contest to charges of solicitation. He was sentenced for his crime. A crime that people like Trex and Corrupted-Justice.com tried to aid him in avoiding, and gave him a "moral" argument that it was only "fantasy." They do not care if someone is guilty, they only care about aiding and abetting those who wish to have sex with your children.

THE CONRADT COVERUP!!!!!

2008-05-17T14:20:00.000-07:00

When I read the following over at CJ's, I nearly Scott Morrowed my pants. This has to be the funniest piece of crap ever posted. Much like I am constantly surprised at the lenghths predators will go to on to get to the house, I am similarly amazed at what comes out of the keyboard at Corrupted Justice.

Windswept - This link is not for the faint of heart. Definitely NSFW.

http://girlfriendsgonecrazy.com

It is the personal blog of someone called Scott Willhite. Willhite alleges that Conradt was actually murdered and his corpse concealed in a morgue for several months before the "official" date of his suicide. He claims Conradt was victim of an anti-gay hate crime and that there was conspiracy to cover the whole thing up, it seems (wading thru all the rants) in collusion with PJ.

My immediate thinking is that the guy is crazy, but as far as I can ascertain he is naming real names at least. But when he starts talking about multiple - er - dismemberings, it all gets way farfetched.

Some of his rantings, however, match things I have already heard from other sources. Most significantly, I have been informed that an officer of Murphy PD (formerly employed at Rockwall PD and in fact the officer who I believe "brokered the contact between PJ and MPD) stated that the planned sting operation was to involve "a big fish" weeks before the operation occurred. In Willhite's account he talks about interactions between PJ-ers like "Frag" people in Rockwall (two DAs and a police lieutenant among others).

Just figured I would share, see what y'all think. Skepticism needed though!

I guess that lawsuit claiming Dateline killed Conradt can be thrown out now.

This off-med post did bring one thing to mind. I can see a potential Dateline movie about Conradt now. I can not take responsibility for the cover art, because I lack the talent, and I haven't asked permission from the arteest to post this, so... "Hey can I post this?" Feel free to give me your permission in the comments section.

Scott Morrow - "Freed Predator not a Story"

2008-05-12T16:16:00.001-07:00

Pedophile and predater apologist, Scott Morrow states the innocent verdict of child predator Thomas Samuel Moffitt was not worth a front page story. On it's face this would appear that the pedoden is "taking the high road" or "not protecting pedophiles", but as we have learned in the past. This, as we all know, is never the case.

Illegal asks, "If it is not a hoax, and a Perveted-Justice / Dateline/ TCAP bust was acquitted, why is it not the front page story here at Corrupted Justice?"

Scott Morrow replies, "It's not a "hoax" - And it's not a front-page story because, while it is important, the front-page story regarding MSNBC's failure to have a number of motions against them dismissed is bigger news."

One might ask, why does Scott Morrow say that the Conradt case is more news worthy than the Moffit acquittal.

The answer is simple:

Conradt is a martyr. A dead predator can be promoted as a victim. A dead predator can not be interogated. A dead predator can not explain the child porn in his possession. A dead predator can be put on a pedestal and held up as a victim.

Moffit is alive. A live predater can prey again and needs to be watched. Scott Morrow's plan is to not talk about the acquittal as part of his job to allow Moffit the child predator to slide back into society hopefully unnoticed. The quicker Moffit has the heat taken off of him, the quicker he can be back on the computer and on the prowl.

If Scott Morrow was as anti-Perverted Justice as he claims to be, then posting the acquittal front page article would be a no brainer. He would have used his best language, along with Perverted Justice quotes bragging about a 100% conviction rate and their past quotes stating just how correct they (Corrupted Justice) was in their view of Perverted Justice.

But since the real focus is the protection of predators, it would be unwise to focus on the acquittal of child predator Moffitt, because it might cause an undue burden on his trying to stay out of the limelight.

There's little that CJ'rs like seeing more than....

2008-05-10T15:22:00.000-07:00

... a sexual predator going free. It's been evident for years, as illustrated throughout PJBR's brilliant "bust interception" series, and now we have a different kind of celebration. The celebration surrounding the acquittal of child predator Thomas Samuel Moffitt aka moff_1960. The geniuses and predator-lovers on the CJ.com forums would love for people to believe that a jury found Thomas Moffitt, the child predator that he is (my repetition is quite intentional), not guilty as a rejection of Perverted Justice's evidence and of Dateline's "tactics." Little could be further from the truth, of course, as I'll illustrate. It took me some time to write this article because, unlike the pedo-den, I actually do research.

When Moffitt was charged in April of 2006, he was charged with attempted lewd and lascivious battery as well as use of a computer to solicit a child. The latter charge is where Perverted Justice's evidence came into play. It involves the chatlog evidence, verification evidence, and the full details of the communication between the contributor in question and Moffitt the predator. However, because Moffitt chose not to enter the house (not because he changed his mind about having sex with a child, but because he thought it was a sting), Lee County no longer had jurisdiction over the solicitation charge. This is a technicality in the state of Florida's laws, Moffitt had to enter the house for the solicitation charge to stick. The county that had jurisdiction on the charge was Moffitt's home county, not where Fort Myers was located.

Instead of entering the house, Moffitt played around outside for a significant period of time, trying to get the decoy to prove her identity and then to get into his car. He tries this for a full half-hour before she chooses to cut off contact. The next time the Fort Myers sting airs on MSNBC, I encourage you to watch this segment. Had he had any legitimate change of heart, he would have never arrived at the home to begin with (and would have cut off his chat much sooner). He wouldn't have asked the decoy to come outside to him. I wonder what his intentions were if the decoy was a real 15 year old, and she had gotten into his car? I'm so very sure that he wouldn't have ended up committing kidnapping and rape. That would be sarcasm on my part, though it's not sarcasm to say that certain members of CJ.com would have greatly preferred for Moffitt to have gotten his predatory hands on a real 15 year old rather than be arrested by the Fort Myers police.

The problem of technicalities largely hold true when it comes to the other charge, attempted lewd and lascivious battery, of which he was found not guilty. Since he didn't enter the house, the jury wasn't entirely wrong to find him not guilty, by the letter of the law in Florida. It's a technicality, it's also a matter of the jury not getting to see every bit of evidence (such as audio between Moffitt and the decoy where he attempts to kidnap her), but the problem is with Florida not cleaning up the loopholes in their law and allowing child predators like Moffitt to test the veracity of a decoy's identity and then go free.

The asylum that is CJ.com will continue to crow about this acquittal, despite the fact that it represents a failure of Florida's laws and has little to do with Perverted Justice.com. Though as disgusting as the situation is, it's a bit hilarious to watch someone like CJBW make a statement like "what's your excuse now, Perverted Justice?"

Well, CJBW, I could list about 275 names right here in a row and ask "what's your excuse now, Corrupted Justice?" According to PJ.com administration, whom I emailed for comment about this blog, the actual number is around 300 names, but they just haven't had a chance to post them yet. They come too many, too fast, and are so commonplace now that PJ.com has little left to prove as far as being a conviction machine.

So, what's your excuse, Corrupted Justice, when you have to disgustingly celebrate the acquittal of ONE predator on the basis of a technicality when hundreds more are convicted, and hundreds more will continue to be convicted? Celebrating over one acquittal in four years make you one silly group of disturbed sadsacks.

Oh, and Thomas Samuel Moffitt, who brought condoms and a camera for the purpose of raping a 15 year old girl and making child pornography, is a disgusting child predator. Just thought I'd get that in one more time.

Corrupted Justice and "Bust Interception" Part VII

2008-05-04T10:46:00.000-07:00

Join me in the handy dandy CJ.net time machine as we revisit the case of Jeff Crenshaw, aka MountainDew63401 aka PJ's 31st conviction. I could do a write up, but with CJ.net Admin's stellar previous post regarding the matter, why bother?

Conviction #31: A Lesson for CJ.com
part of Interference with Law Enforcement | posted on September 12, 2005 2:05 PM PST

How backwards is CJ.com about what law enforcement thinks about the "issues" of child solicitation and harassment? Well, quite backwards. Consider the case of Jeff Crenshaw. Jeff Crenshaw as Mountaindew63401 had one of the sickest chats on record at Perverted-Justice.com. His graphic descriptions of bloody teens and pain were beyond the pale.

Crenshaw was posted to PeeJ. Almost immediately, CJ.com jumped into the fray getting in contact with him. It didn't matter to CJ.com that this male wanted to inflict serious bodily harm upon his victim. All they cared about was contacting this individual and immediately believing every rancid lie out of his mouth with their "bust interception" program.

We're going to reprint the entire contacts CJ.com had with Crenshaw. Exactly what they were told, what they told him to do and how they tried to harass random PeeJ readers for attempting to contact Crenshaw. You will see exactly how ignorant of U.S. Law Enforcement Trex (European) and PJ Buster (Canadian) are. You'll see their celebration as a man who wishes to bloody a teen tells them that he wasn't arrested. And their happiness that he signed up to their forums.

You'll see all of that and so... so much more.

First post, by Trex on Nov. 29th, 2004:

Got him online within minutes after he was posted, then called him, and sent the standard email. He said his brother was staying with the family, and used his Yahoo. I know we have heard this before, but I believe him.

(20:36:40) cj_cyber_assistant_00: GO INVISIBLE NOW!!!!!
(20:36:56) cj_cyber_assistant_00: you have been posted on a vigilante website and they can see that you are online
(20:37:24) cj_cyber_assistant_00: my name is Jeff, and I am a memeber of www.corrupted-justice.com , we are trying to shut this site down
(20:38:08) cj_cyber_assistant_00: you have been posted on www.perverted-justice.com , and your name, phone number and pic have been posted there, along with a chat you allegedly had with a "minor" who was actually an entrapper
(20:38:17) cj_cyber_assistant_00: they wioll try to harass you and destroy your life
(20:38:19) cj_cyber_assistant_00: we can help
(20:38:57) Mountaindew63401: how can i get help i did not do this shit
(20:39:02) cj_cyber_assistant_00: You are still showing up on their site as online, so I will now call you--as I said, my name is Jeff. I want NOTHING from you except to help you. I want NO info from you at all
(20:39:08) cj_cyber_assistant_00: may I call you?
(20:39:46) cj_cyber_assistant_00: this is the phone number they have posted: 573-248-1438
(20:40:13) cj_cyber_assistant_00: I am NOT trying to harass you, but to help you. We have a LOT of experience with this and are working actively to shut this website down
(20:40:38) Mountaindew63401: yes please
(20:40:47) cj_cyber_assistant_00: OK, and PLEASE GO INVISIBLE
(20:41:24) Mountaindew63401: i did
(20:54:53) cj_cyber_assistant_00: just got off the phone with you--feel free to add me to your buddy list
(20:55:30) Mountaindew63401: thanks a lot
(20:55:53) Mountaindew63401: you helped out a lot
(20:56:21) cj_cyber_assistant_00: no problem--thats what I am here for:)
(20:56:28) cj_cyber_assistant_00: email sent
(20:56:35) mountaindew63401: thank you
(20:57:50) cj_cyber_assistant_00: please let me know when you recieve it
(21:00:01) mountaindew63401: just did
(21:00:09) cj_cyber_assistant_00: ok, good
(21:00:22) cj_cyber_assistant_00: follow all the advice, and if you have any questions, just ask
(21:00:34) mountaindew63401: would it hurt me to call the police here and talk to one of them abouth this
(21:01:04) cj_cyber_assistant_00: not at all, if you know you are innocent--checking the Missourri law right now
(21:01:53) mountaindew63401: what should i tell them
(21:01:57) cj_cyber_assistant_00: Missouri Mo. Rev. Stat. § 566.151 - A person at least twenty-one years of age or older commits the crime of enticement of a child if that person persuades, solicits, coaxes, entices, or lures whether by words, actions or through communication via the Internet or any electronic communication, any person who is less than fifteen years of age for the purpose of engaging in sexual conduct with a child.
(21:02:08) cj_cyber_assistant_00: tell them the truth, exactly as you told me
(21:02:55) mountaindew63401: do you thank i going to jail
(21:03:46) cj_cyber_assistant_00: highly unlikely, given the few cases that have successfully been prosecuted. But I cant make any guarantees
21:04:29) mountaindew63401: so should i call a talk to a cop then
(21:04:55) mountaindew63401: greedoson:here is one more name for you
(21:05:11) cj_cyber_assistant_00: That is a decision only you can make, but if *I* did not have the chat, I would definitely go to the police and tell thwem I am being targeted
(21:05:30) cj_cyber_assistant_00: greedo is a vicious PJer
(21:05:40) mountaindew63401: whats that
(21:05:49) cj_cyber_assistant_00: PJ=Perverted-Justice.com
(21:05:56) mountaindew63401: ok
(21:06:05) cj_cyber_assistant_00: hit ignore--do NOT talk to them
(21:06:08) cj_cyber_assistant_00: at all
(21:06:12) mountaindew63401: i did
(21:06:28) cj_cyber_assistant_00: do that every time, and save the names--do you have your Yahoo archives on?
(21:06:56) mountaindew63401: let me see
(21:07:22) mountaindew63401: yes i do
(21:07:47) cj_cyber_assistant_00: good--save anymessages to your archives, so you can prove the harassment if you decide to sue them
(21:08:23) mountaindew63401: i am at you site what do i need to do now
(21:09:03) cj_cyber_assistant_00: first read the main pages--the links at the top...then you can register and read the forums--we have a special hidden forum that we can let you access--a support site for people in your shoes
(21:09:48) cj_cyber_assistant_00: there is a wealth of info in our forums about PJ and what they are. We also have the actual name of the site owner, and if you decide to sue, we can give that info to your atty
(21:10:13) mountaindew63401: ok
(21:10:53) cj_cyber_assistant_00: WHATEVER happens, you can count on us at corrupted-justice to stand by you and support you, and fight as hard as possible for your rights
(21:11:11) mountaindew63401: thank you
(21:13:11) mountaindew63401: one more thing i sorry for keeping you so long
(21:13:19) cj_cyber_assistant_00: no problem at all
(21:13:52) mountaindew63401: sould i call work and get the times and dates i worked
(21:14:17) cj_cyber_assistant_00: that would be a good idea, if you dont chat at work. It would support your case if you go to the police
21:14:51) mountaindew63401: we do not have any way to chat at work
(21:15:16) cj_cyber_assistant_00: great--so that would show the police your innocence

Trex immediately buys into Jeff Crenshaw's lame story. Just as they always do, like the insipid idiots they are constantly. Trex's instructions to go to the police though were very helpful! It was very helpful believed the story of Crenshaw, for he was able to convince Crenshaw that he did nothing wrong and to go to the cops. But just how deep did their "help" to Crenshaw go? Keep reading...

Second post, this time by PJ Buster, same day.

I just noticed the new "bust" myself - contrib = Lucky. His 2nd. Been grooming him since Oct 29 - 31 days now.

Chats shown for Oct 29, Nov 2, Nov 3, Nov 5, Nov 7

For example on Nov 5th: Denicegrrl13 [the baiter] (5:04:17 PM): heyyo, what time you coming over?

That's all for that day.

Who knows how many chats took place that were not posted. And why the delay in posting from Nov 7th to now? Over three weeks elapsed.

That's right, PJ Buster believes Contributors "groom" people like Jeff Crenshaw. Here is just one excerpt of Crenshaw's chat...

mountaindew63401 (8:48:59 PM): please tell me yes are no
mountaindew63401 (8:49:12 PM): are you single
Denicegrrl13 (8:49:23 PM): yes
mountaindew63401 (8:49:34 PM): is 30 to old for you (30 is too old for ANY 13 year old)
mountaindew63401 (8:49:56 PM): well is it sweety
mountaindew63401 (8:50:13 PM): please tell me

Yeah, Lucky was grooming Crenshaw, right?

Third post in the thread, this time by Trex:

mountaindew63401 (10:20:38 PM): when i have sex with you i be going to jail ( I really hope you do go to jail. )
Denicegrrl13 (10:20:52 PM): whu?
mountaindew63401 (10:21:07 PM): you are under age baby (OH, so he KNOWS it is wrong, yet he is still here..)
Denicegrrl13 (10:21:26 PM): underage for what
mountaindew63401 (10:21:41 PM): for me to have sex with
mountaindew63401 (10:21:57 PM): it well be rape on me baby
Denicegrrl13 (10:22:05 PM): says who?
mountaindew63401 (10:22:32 PM): the police if thay are you dad finds out
Denicegrrl13 (10:22:43 PM): ah hell no
Denicegrrl13 (10:22:45 PM): my dad dont know shit
Denicegrrl13 (10:23:01 PM): he dont care
mountaindew63401 (10:23:17 PM): you be crying and bleeding
Denicegrrl13 (10:23:49 PM): whu aer you talking aobut?
Denicegrrl13 (10:23:53 PM): y you gonna make me cry?
mountaindew63401 (10:24:29 PM): it going hurt baby you well cry

This is who they were rejoicing over joining their website and believing every word from. Genius.

Fourth post, again by Trex:

This guy is now talking about suicide. I have called him, and also talked to his mom, who is elderly and has a heart condition.

They asked if Dennis could get in touch with him. Could Scott or PJB or Julie please pass his number to Dennis? It is on the PJ site.

Thanks.

(21:46:50) mountaindew63401: maybe i should not tell you this but i fell like killing myshelf
(21:47:46) cj_cyber_assistant_00: I understand
(21:47:51) cj_cyber_assistant_00: many people feel that way
(21:47:56) cj_cyber_assistant_00: but DONT give in
(21:48:06) cj_cyber_assistant_00: this WILL pass
(21:48:19) cj_cyber_assistant_00: I am here and can saty online all night if need be
(21:49:02) mountaindew63401: it hurts i going lose my job and all
(21:49:26) cj_cyber_assistant_00: you dont know that
(21:49:33) cj_cyber_assistant_00: NOTHING may happen
(21:49:47) cj_cyber_assistant_00: the majority of people slide off the radar of this site
(21:50:31) mountaindew63401: how long it take
(21:50:38) mountaindew63401: brb
(21:50:48) cj_cyber_assistant_00: it can happen fast, but sometimes takes a few weeks
(21:51:15) cj_cyber_assistant_00: Tel: 1-800-356-5395 this is a number for a crisis hotline near you
(21:52:01) cj_cyber_assistant_00: if you feel like hurting yourself, call therm now!!!!
(21:53:01) cj_cyber_assistant_00: PLEASE repsond when you are back--I am worried about you
(21:53:32) mountaindew63401: i ok i not going to hurt myshelf
(21:53:35) cj_cyber_assistant_00: ok
(21:53:42) cj_cyber_assistant_00: there ARE solutions
(21:53:53) cj_cyber_assistant_00: and we ARE going to help you all we can
(21:54:02) mountaindew63401: in less this would make my mom end up in th hospital over this shit
(21:54:15) cj_cyber_assistant_00: lets hope not--try not to think of the worst
(21:54:28) cj_cyber_assistant_00: do you have any Valium or something like that in the house?
(21:54:37) mountaindew63401: nope
(21:54:40) cj_cyber_assistant_00: ok
(21:54:45) cj_cyber_assistant_00: probably better, anyway
(21:55:14) cj_cyber_assistant_00: the important thing ot focus on is that in almost 900 cases only 5 have gone to jail
(21:55:38) mountaindew63401: would you call and tell my mom that i not going to jail are any thing like that
(21:55:40) cj_cyber_assistant_00: we have lawyers who can help you if necesdsary
(21:55:52) cj_cyber_assistant_00: I would be happy to talk to your mom if necessary
(21:55:53) mountaindew63401: cool
(21:56:11) mountaindew63401: please call i tell her you going call and talk to her
(21:56:15) cj_cyber_assistant_00: ok
(21:56:18) cj_cyber_assistant_00: calling now
(21:57:20) mountaindew63401: mallory_kn0x187: JEFF W CRENSHAWYou wiped your info out yer profile but not fast enough. Everything was copied. It's time to "rum" something up yer ass now!!! Your world is about to get a whole lot worse, flirtyboy. Huck's Taxi 221-1191 has already been contacted. Your neighbors are next! WE ARE FAST AND EFFICIENT! You will be amazed what we will
(21:57:34) mountaindew63401: i just get that im
(22:03:40) cj_cyber_assistant_00: jesus--they are freeaks
(22:04:14) cj_cyber_assistant_00: if that IS your work telephone--and DONT tell me--it might be best to talkk to your boss and explain you are being harassed by a group of nuts
(22:04:40) cj_cyber_assistant_00: I just told your mom what to say to the next person who calls
(22:05:03) mountaindew63401: i tell you yes this is my job phone number
(22:05:11) mountaindew63401: thank you
(22:05:16) cj_cyber_assistant_00: and remember--they are trying to psychologically break you--to bend you to their will
(22:05:19) cj_cyber_assistant_00: dont let them
(22:05:47) mountaindew63401: my boss will fire me i know he well
(22:06:21) cj_cyber_assistant_00: well, it is better he hears it form you than them, dont you think? at least you will be able to tell him your sifde of things
(22:07:02) cj_cyber_assistant_00: and not to give you false hope, but there is a CHANCE the site may be shut down this week
(22:07:17) mountaindew63401: yes if he wall talk to me
(22:07:21) mountaindew63401: i hope so
(22:07:42) cj_cyber_assistant_00: lets hope he listens. You have NOT been charged or convicted of any crime
(22:08:17) mountaindew63401: how can i help to get this web site shut down
(22:08:43) cj_cyber_assistant_00: you can sue--I can ask the atty we use to get in toucvh with oyu, or give you his number
(22:09:07) mountaindew63401: ask hime to get in touch with me
(22:09:17) cj_cyber_assistant_00: ok--will do. I will pass your info to him
(22:09:27) mountaindew63401: thank you jeff
(22:09:42) cj_cyber_assistant_00: absolutely not a problem. I am more than happy to help you
(22:11:51) mountaindew63401: do you need me to let you go jeff
(22:12:20) cj_cyber_assistant_00: I can talk to you as long as you want or need to. You are the priority right now

The irony is beautiful. But it only gets better...

Clueless Dodger comes in next:

I'll send an e-mail to Dennis to ask him to call the guy. I have his number, but what's his name?

Dodger

Yeah, what's his name... it's in the post above you, stupid.

Trex again:

Jeff Crenshaw. He has called the police, and they are coming now to take a statement. I am standing by to talk with the cops for him if necessary and give him support through it all.

That's right, CJ.com is going to talk to the cops on behalf of a man who wrote...

mountaindew63401 (10:33:43 PM): can i go in you butt (quite the romantic fella he is!)
Denicegrrl13 (10:33:49 PM): mty butt?
mountaindew63401 (10:33:57 PM): you ass
Denicegrrl13 (10:34:16 PM): wont that hurt?
mountaindew63401 (10:34:32 PM): yes but not to long
Denicegrrl13 (10:34:53 PM): u just talked like i am too young 4 you (i was referring to all the "it is illegal" stuff he was just talking to me about)
mountaindew63401 (10:35:04 PM): no you not
Denicegrrl13 (10:35:12 PM): so u r 4 real?
mountaindew63401 (10:36:02 PM): yes (he apparently does not mind the risks )
mountaindew63401 (10:36:11 PM): i going in you butt to
mountaindew63401 (10:36:47 PM): baby

...in his main page chat-log to what he thought was a thirteen year old.

Next post is a doozy by PJ Buster who starts harassing PeeJ'ers on behalf of Jeff Crenshaw:

trex showed me some excerpts from harassment the "bust" received so I decided to help slap down some of the harassers:

pjbuster2003 [17:18:21]: mallory_kn0x187: JEFF W CRENSHAWYou wiped your info out yer profile but not fast enough. Everything was copied. It's time to "rum" something up yer ass now!!! Your world is about to get a whole lot worse, flirtyboy. Huck's Taxi 221-1191 has already been contacted. Your neighbors are next! WE ARE FAST AND EFFICIENT! You will be amazed what we...
pjbuster2003 [17:22:01]: go ahead, send some more. all will be forwarded to police
mallory_kn0x187 [17:22:40]: go ahead and send them Jeff. Is this a new sn of yours?
mallory_kn0x187 [17:23:51]: send your self to jail so no one else does. lol
pjbuster2003 [17:24:18]: negative. this is PJB, owner/operator/admin of corrupted-justice.com at your service
mallory_kn0x187 [17:24:42]: oookkkkkk?
pjbuster2003 [17:25:12]: you might be interested to learn that the "bust" has contacted police
pjbuster2003 [17:25:23]: just like you probably wanted. maybe not
mallory_kn0x187 [17:25:33]: cool
mallory_kn0x187 [17:25:43]: and that is not you huh?
pjbuster2003 [17:25:52]: oh and by-the-way, he is suicidal. you better hope and pray nothing backfires
mallory_kn0x187 [17:26:46]: that too bad. But that's a true feeling you go thru when your life is about to turrn to shit because of your actions
mallory_kn0x187 [17:27:06]: i really don't like hearing that...
pjbuster2003 [17:27:08]: you would know?
mallory_kn0x187 [17:27:33]: had a friend
pjbuster2003 [17:27:48]: sorry to hear that
mallory_kn0x187 [17:28:11]: who are you? A friend of his?
pjbuster2003 [17:28:12]: this bust is being harassed fast an furious. you are one of them.
pjbuster2003 [17:28:14]: no
pjbuster2003 [17:28:21]: corrupted-justice.com
pjbuster2003 [17:28:32]: you must be new
mallory_kn0x187 [17:28:39]: I only sent one.. That is not harrassment
pjbuster2003 [17:29:08]: you bet it is. you must have been taking the Xavier bullcrap 101 course
mallory_kn0x187 [17:29:16]: I wont send no more
pjbuster2003 [17:29:39]: everything is being archived on that end
mallory_kn0x187 [17:30:15]: archived? You mean kept in a file?
pjbuster2003 [17:30:34]: yes. will be turned over to pilice - he claims are on their way.
mallory_kn0x187 [17:31:06]: does he know he is going to answer for that chat?
mallory_kn0x187 [17:31:16]: and pics
pjbuster2003 [17:31:56]: he sure does. We at CJ encourage victims of PJ to turn over everything over to police and attorneys. including any death threats, phone calls, job loss actions, etc
mallory_kn0x187 [17:32:58]: Oh. Cool.. So you help catch bad guys too?
pjbuster2003 [17:33:31]: in a manner of speaking. We catch PJ'er vigilantes.
mallory_kn0x187 [17:33:35]: But you dont like perverted justice
pjbuster2003 [17:33:44]: correct
mallory_kn0x187 [17:34:09]: Oh you think pjers are doing it wrong?
pjbuster2003 [17:34:14]: yes we do
mallory_kn0x187 [17:35:11]: well no one has to agree about everything. At least you all work for the same thing. Getting the bad guys
pjbuster2003 [17:35:28]: are you new member at PJ?
mallory_kn0x187 [17:36:09]: No. not really. I've been reading for a few months
pjbuster2003 [17:36:26]: oh alright. I'm surprised you haven't heard of corrupted-justice.com
mallory_kn0x187 [17:36:36]: nope
pjbuster2003 [17:36:39]: but then again Xavier keeps his sheep pretty isolated
mallory_kn0x187 [17:36:52]: i haven't seen anything about you guys
pjbuster2003 [17:37:03]: ok. please read our site & mission
pjbuster2003 [17:37:18]: we are the antidote to PJ. LOL
mallory_kn0x187 [17:37:45]: My baby is crying gotta go. will be on later and will go read . thanks
pjbuster2003 [17:37:51]: alright. bye

You're the antidote, alright. PJ Buster tells a flock of lies and says that the bust will be calling the police to get ALL THESE BAD EVIL PEOPLE ARRESTATIONED! These posts just make the ultimate ending all the more sweet...

Trex comes back with more stupidity:

The police arrived, and I talked to them for the bust,and explained what the situation is. Gave them my name and telephone number, and the CJ site info. Told the police if they neded further info from us we would be happy to cooperate in any way we can.

Yes. Trex and CJ.com actually tried to feed their lines of garbage to police. You see, Trex and CJ.com believe that the police will listen to them and hate PeeJ. Even in this case, where Trex got to spin the CJ.com line to police, what ended up happening? DId the trained law enforcement say "Oh, these vigilantes are harassing someone!" or did they say "Geez, this guy is a freak and solicited a thirteen year old!" Oh, the suspense!

Remember, according to Scott Morrow, Matt Carpenter, Julie Cison and all the rest of the gang of dumb, police hate Perverted-Justice.com, right?

PJ Buster comes back and begs for attention:

While that was going on I was chatting with trex:
trex132 [17:02:32]: the bust has called the police and trhey are coming ocer--and they say they can take him in on a 20 hour hold while they investigate
trex132 [17:02:49]: I got him the name of 3 criminal attys in his area, and he is calling on eof them now
pjbuster2003 [17:03:05]: mountaindew?
trex132 [17:03:11]: yes
pjbuster2003 [17:03:21]: he say it was brother or someone
trex132 [17:04:02]: yes
pjbuster2003 [17:04:46]: ok just catching up brb
pjbuster2003 [17:07:52]: k
pjbuster2003 [17:08:12]: did you talk to his mom?
trex132 [17:08:22]: i am exhausted--he has been suicidal, and now the cops are coming over to take a report
trex132 [17:08:24]: yes
pjbuster2003 [17:08:35]: I hope he shows them the threats
pjbuster2003 [17:08:39]: mallory
pjbuster2003 [17:08:56]: "We are fast and efficient"
trex132 [17:09:14]: yes--he has talked to his boss already and the boss is behind him
pjbuster2003 [17:09:18]: but he may not be thinking agressive at the moment
pjbuster2003 [17:09:22]: [grin icon]
pjbuster2003 [17:09:47]: perhaps his boss could use an PJ info package
trex132 [17:10:11]: well, right now I am just trying to keep him from killing himself
pjbuster2003 [17:10:14]: and since he made the 1st move to contact police it will
pjbuster2003 [17:10:16]: oh
pjbuster2003 [17:10:40]: you said elderly. he don;t look too elderly
trex132 [17:10:48]: the MOTHER is elderly
pjbuster2003 [17:10:53]: ok sorry
pjbuster2003 [17:11:00]: I cant read fast and accurate
trex132 [17:11:04]: np
trex132 [17:11:10]: I am snappish--sorry
pjbuster2003 [17:11:21]: understood
trex132 [17:11:34]: trying to manage him, interfere with the harassers, find suicide hotlines and attys for him
pjbuster2003 [17:14:38]: friggin coward mallory_kn0x187 Yahoo profile last updated Nov 28. blank
pjbuster2003 [17:14:51]: is online now
trex132 [17:14:55]: they are hitting him hard and fast
pjbuster2003 [17:14:58]: maybe I need to chat with him/her
trex132 [17:15:23]: well, I can give him your YIM, but he is a bit overwhelmed now, waiting for the cops to arrive
pjbuster2003 [17:15:30]: no no
pjbuster2003 [17:15:40]: I mean I chat with mallory_kn0x187
pjbuster2003 [17:16:25]: does he archive all?
trex132 [17:16:36]: yes, he is archiving everything
trex132 [17:16:44]: and by all emans chat with Mallory--I am sick of these freaks
pjbuster2003 [17:16:48]: ok
pjbuster2003 [17:16:54]: did you chat with mallory?
trex132 [17:17:08]: ryanboi10
trex132 [17:17:09]: no
trex132 [17:17:13]: thats another one
pjbuster2003 [17:17:43]: bust name is Jeff Crenshaw?
trex132 [17:18:01]: yes
trex132 [17:18:05]: pretty_tx_chic
trex132 [17:18:09]: another one
trex132 [17:18:16]: they are rabid wolves
pjbuster2003 [17:18:42]: I don't have nice choice quotes from them that I can throw back
pjbuster2003 [17:18:49]: I'll see what happens with mallory
trex132 [17:18:58]: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:35:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Taylor" Add to Address Book To: mailto:Mountaindew63401@yahoo.com Read your chat with that "girl". You are sick in the head, eh??
pjbuster2003 [17:19:07]: thanx
trex132 [17:19:10]: np
pjbuster2003 [17:20:18]: you got full email headers?
trex132 [17:21:05]: he ahs them
pjbuster2003 [17:21:08]: k
trex132 [17:21:21]: he jusy cut and pates
pjbuster2003 [17:21:32]: you got any text from pretty_tx_chic?
trex132 [17:21:41]: let me check
trex132 [17:22:44]: (22:47:56) pretty_tx_chic: mkay that will happen
(22:48:07) cj_cyber_assistant_00: repeat?
(22:48:17) pretty_tx_chic: mkay that will happen
(22:48:30) cj_cyber_assistant_00: mkay???????? speak in english
(22:48:39) pretty_tx_chic: it is english
(22:49:07) cj_cyber_assistant_00: not any english I have ever read, and I am very proficient in the english language
(22:49:12) pretty_tx_chic: so r u the guy i chatted with or r u his brother
(22:49:45) cj_cyber_assistant_00: I am neither. I am Jeff Woloson of corrupted-justice.com
(22:49:57) cj_cyber_assistant_00: I am acting as the advocate for the person you have been harassing
(22:50:09) pretty_tx_chic: been harassing?
(22:50:35) cj_cyber_assistant_00: yes, you have been sending him IMs and I am asking you to stop
(22:50:48) pretty_tx_chic: well jeff is who i have been chattn with
(22:51:14) cj_cyber_assistant_00: 22:30:07) mountaindew63401: do you know this one pretty_tx_chic
(22:30:26) cj
pjbuster2003 [17:23:27]: thnx. I am getting some response now from others brb
trex132 [17:23:33]: ok
pjbuster2003 [17:24:38]: you talked to mallory? he.she thinks I am Jeff
trex132 [17:25:43]: no, I did not--BUT that is also the busts name
trex132 [17:25:46]: ]confusing
pjbuster2003 [17:26:03]: soryy sorry
trex132 [17:26:46]: just wish the fucking plice would get there so I could go to bed--have to work tomorow and thern a work dinner afterwqards [sad icon]
trex132 [17:26:46]: ugh
pjbuster2003 [17:30:20]: I just got assurance mallory will send no more [tongue icon]
trex132 [17:31:19]: great!@!!!!!!!!
trex132 [17:31:23]: THANK YOU!!!!!
pjbuster2003 [17:32:06]: this one must be a newbie
pjbuster2003 [17:32:16]: never heard of me. [cry icon]
trex132 [17:32:22]: awwww [sad icon]
trex132 [17:33:09]: [color=green]cops should be there inn 10 minutes or so[/color]
trex132 [17:33:25]: did I do the right thing, telling him to call the cops if he is innocent?
pjbuster2003 [17:33:37]: yes
trex132 [17:34:04]: I am scared they will arrest him, and it will be my dault
pjbuster2003 [17:34:07]: he should file
trex132 [17:34:07]: fault
pjbuster2003 [17:34:50]: well since he took the initiative to "turn himself in" so-to-speak, it will bode well in any case.
trex132 [17:35:09]: I think so too. And I cant imagine them taking him in for filing a report about this
trex132 [17:35:48]: [color=green]calling the cops at the housenow[/color]
pjbuster2003 [17:35:56]: k
trex132 [17:40:03]: [color=green]police are not arresting him [smile icon][/color]
pjbuster2003 [17:40:10]: [grin icon]
trex132 [17:40:15]: [color=green]taking a report of phone harassment and Internet harassment[/color]
pjbuster2003 [17:40:27]: excellent!!!!!!
trex132 [17:40:44]: I gave themn my name and number, and the CJ site addy, and told them to call if they needed further info fro us
trex132 [17:41:03]: I am too tired to post about this--could you do that for me, pleae?
pjbuster2003 [17:41:19]: yes I am doing so now
trex132 [17:41:31]: thank you--I am beat--been up for 17 hours now
trex132 [17:41:50]: just waiting to IM with the guy after the cops leave
pjbuster2003 [17:42:01]: ok. i gotta post some stuff brb
trex132 [17:42:04]: k
pjbuster2003 [17:42:18]: mallory had to go away to look after some baby crying
trex132 [17:42:26]: LOL--tough shit
trex132 [17:42:31]: hope it poops allover her
pjbuster2003 [17:42:38]: [laugh icon]
trex132 [17:42:40]: she is probablty sexually abusing it
pjbuster2003 [17:42:49]: you can read the chat I just had
trex132 [17:42:52]: ok
pjbuster2003 [17:43:27]: maybe I should try tx girl
trex132 [17:43:41]: well, she did say she would not IM anymore
pjbuster2003 [17:43:47]: really?
pjbuster2003 [17:43:49]: that was too easy
trex132 [17:43:54]: BUT we have the IMs proving she did it!
pjbuster2003 [17:43:59]: yuppers
trex132 [17:44:11]: and now a bust who actually went to the copsd!!!
pjbuster2003 [17:44:34]: I hate to be soft on these morons but I think those three are newbies and are caught up in the PJ bloodlust
trex132 [17:46:09]: she seemed too naive to be real
pjbuster2003 [17:46:24]: yeah
pjbuster2003 [17:47:43]: well if she has some kid screaming for attention, then she is some trash mother with nothing better to do than to surf
trex132 [17:47:50]: right
trex132 [17:49:26]: 23:48:33) mountaindew63401: thank you jeff (23:48:46) cj_cyber_assistant_00: how did it go? (23:49:45) mountaindew63401: he going do a report and send it to the detive i talked to on the phone but he said i would not be going to jail for any thing
pjbuster2003 [17:49:58]: nice. if need be we can send that detective any info
trex132 [17:50:24]: right--gave himn my and CJs info
Yahoo! Messenger [17:53:11]: trex132 has signed out

Bolding and color added by PJB after the fact.

His fears were very accurate. But... wait... why does an organization like CJ.com that SAYS they're all for the police arresting internet groomers FEAR that an internet groomer will be arrested? Could it be... that they're lying and only wish to protect those that solicit children? Yeah, of course it could be... and it is. We've known this for a long time now but it's always nice to get another clear cut example out there.

Head cheerleader Dodger comes back in and says "rah rah."

Excellent work guys! Staying on the line to talk to the cops was absolutely perfect! Way to go Jeff!!

If they contact you, get an e-mail addy/fax number and contact info from the detective & I'll get the info package off to them immediately.

Scott

Way to go! Info packages to the police! That means that the police won't arrest him for solicitation right? That they'll HAVE to go after those EVIL PeeJ'ers for their harassment... or will the police find that no harassment took place and arrest Jeff Crenshaw? Oh, the suspense!

Julie Cison comes in and expresses joy at the happenings:

Way to go, Trex! How kind of you to stand by this guy at a time when his world is crashing in around him. I will also send these chats from PJers as proof of harassment. If anyone is watching his FUF and finds DMV info, etc., please pass it along and I'll send that too. Very Happy

Yes, an elementary school teacher at the School at Cross of the Christ Luthern Church in Coon Rapids Minnesota is "Very happy" when she thinks a predator who wants to "rum something" into a thirteen year old won't be arrested. That's a "very happy" thing, apparently. Creepy.

PJ Buster talks about what the police will find interesting:

We don't have harassment emails. Except for a few excerpts and this tidbit:

trex132 [17:18:58]: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:35:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Taylor" Add to Address Book To: mailto:Mountaindew63401@yahoo.com Read your chat with that "girl". You are sick in the head, eh??

... for which trex said mountaindew has full headers. If the police will pursue this properly - including tracing all incoming emails and IMs, they should find such info interesting.

Sure they will, Sven. I love the first part... "We don't have harassment emails." Actually, you don't have harassment anything. Harassment is repeated unwanted contact. One IM session is not repeated unwanted contact. At any time a bust can say "Please don't contact me" and only then will any contact from that individual qualify for harassment. Neither Trex nor PJ Buster has any examples of this. Nor does Julie Cison about her son Thomas. Remember, harassment means repeated... not a one-off contact.

Of course, we know this. CJ.com doesn't, apparently. So what will the police do? Oh, the suspense!

CJ Black Widow then sums up the thread with succinctness:

Awesome work, Jeff!

Yes, awesome work Jeff. You see, Jeff Crenshaw found out that Jeffrey Woloson of the Netherlands and Sven Kharkling of Canada actually have no idea of what qualifies as harassment in the United States of America. Both of these non-Americans are ignorant of US law. So what they told Crenshaw (and every other bust they've contacted) was harassment... actually wasn't.

But... Crenshaw did have the chat.

After CJ.com and Crenshaw tried to sell their bullshit story to the law enforcement they spoke with, the cops took the information back to the detective. The detective immediately went into action... AGAINST Jeff Crenshaw. He collected Crenshaw's computer for forensics... and contacted Perverted-Justice.com who was more than happy to work with him to put Crenshaw into a courtroom.

Jeff Crenshaw has now pled guilty to solicitation.

Remember, CJ.com claims that Perverted-Justice.com is not liked by police. That police will not work PeeJ chat-logs towards convictions. They are so confident of that, they believe their own lies so deeply... that they ended up helping Jeff Crenshaw get himself arrested and charged with solicitation. Truly stellar work on their part. Their arguments against PeeJ were so "Convincing" that PeeJ now has garnered it's 31st conviction since June of 2004.

I guess Scott Morrow's "info packet" isn't as persuasive as he'd like to believe.

CJ.com does not understand American law. They don't understand what harassment actually is. They seek to aid pedophiles to the point of speaking on their behalf to United States Law Enforcement. Then they express happiness when a person who solicited a thirteen year old for painful and bloody vaginal and anal sex looks like he got off scot-free... all this from an organization that bristles when you call them pro-pedophile, right?

They seek to help and aid pedophiles to escape justice, they will bend over backwards to believe the lies of child solicitators and groomers. They will tell these people that they are "victims." Fortunately, Perverted-Justice.com's evidence is so overwhelming and complete that no matter how many lies CJ.com tries... at the end of the day, justice is served.

Corrupted Justice and "Bust Interception" Part VI

2008-04-27T10:21:00.000-07:00

You didn't think I was done with Rob Andrews, did you? Last week we brought you the public words of Corrupted Justice while they attempted to help Rob Andrews. This week we bring you their behind the scenes attempts.

As per his usual good old Trex jumped right in on 11/16/04 with his "Let Me Help You!" email to the bust.

PJ Buster comes next with information from none other than PWAP that Rob Andrews is a lawyer.

Trex posted his usual lame IM attempts at getting the bust to chat with him.

Then we have good old KissMe4Luck2 joining in with:

Since this guy is a lawyer, someone should put him in contact with Dennis immediately. :D

Poor, poor Julie, she'd really pinned all her hopes and dreams on this guy, hadn't she?

Dodger tried to be the voice of reason:

Were assuming hes a lawyer only on the basis of PWAPs contention.

I think it best if we deal with him the same as any bust we contact for the time being. If he wants help, hell get back to us and we can get the details firsthand. Then, if hes interested, we can pass him to Dennis & see if maybe they cant get something started.

Odd how Dodger took any accusations against PJers that PWAP made at face value, but shows doubt privately about the authenticity of his information.

Two days have passed and Trex is worried about Andrews:

It is Pwaps contention that the bust is a lawyer because he religiously reads the PJ forums--something we ALL need to be doing.

Since this bust is now apparently suicidal, I have called again, IMed again and sent another email to his alternate Yahoo account. I have even left my cell phone number so he can call me if he needs to. I can do no more and am now letting go:

(17:38:09) trex132: Rob, this is Jeff from www.corrupted-justice.com . I have left several telephone messages for you to come to our site, and to get in contact so we can help you. PLEASE respond. Also, PLEASE stop talking to people from perverted-justice. It only makes things worse. We CAN help you if you want help. I am worried about you. I am the official Bust Interceptor for www.corrupted-justice.com , and have helped MANY people in your position. PLEASE respond to me at your earliest convenience
(17:53:39) trex132: I know you are scared and desperate. I want NOTHING from you except to help you. We CAN help if you let us. We have names and addresses of the site owner and harassers that we can supply you or your attorney
(17:53:39) robnaq: I am not currently accepting instant messages. Please try again later!
(17:55:3Cool trex132: I know you are scared and desperate. I want NOTHING from you except to help you. We CAN help if you let us. We have names and addresses of the site owner and harassers that we can supply you or your attorney
(17:57:03) trex132: if you are reading this and dont wish to reply, please just let me know you have read the message and understand there is help available. Simply type the letter K
(17:59:06) trex132: I cant help you if you dont want our help. This is my last message. Good luck to you.

Trex also re-sends the same "Let Me Help You" email with this added:

Subject: Rob, I am trying to help you!!!!!!!!!!
Reply | Reply to all | Forward | Print | Add sender to contacts list | Trash this message | Report phishing | Show original
Dear Rob--

I have called you three times now, offering to help you in your
predicament with perverted-justice. I also sent this email to your
manofdarkneedsI951 Yahoo account, but it bounced back. PLEASE get in
touch with us at www.corrupted-justice.com . We want to help you.

Trex was elated to get a response later that day:

Finally a response. This means to me that he has read the IMs, received the second email I sent, and now has our web address. Lets hope it is not too late to help him:

(19:14:23) robnaq: hello
(19:16:22) robnaq: guess you are not online
(19:33:46) trex132: i am but have to do dishes now--will be back in 15 minutes--PLEASE be patient!
(19:41:37) trex132: I am here now
(19:42:34) trex132: I will be online for the next 3 hours if you wish to talk. Please believe me when I say my only motivation in messaging you is to offer assistance and support

then this:

From: rob naq
To: Jeff W
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:34:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Rob, I am trying to help you!!!!!!!!!!
Reply | Reply to all | Forward | Print | Add sender to contacts list | Trash this message | Report phishing | Show original
i will try to contact you this afternoon

The following day, 11/19/04 CJ Black Widow joins in the fray with information from the PJ Follow Up forums. You know, where CJ loves to claim all the information is false, unless it helps them:

I dont know if any of this info will help. I got it you-know-where:

Email from PJ was sent to the following addresses:

*REDACTED*, Cincinnati Bar Association
*REDACTED*, Ohio Bar Association
*REDACTED*, National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers (NACDL)
*REDACTED*, Ohio Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers
*REDACTED* Hal Arestein President

I also have copied a chat between he and justicebot if needed.

Again CJ Black Widow, who frequently screams about how chat logs aren't evidence, has herself copy/pasted a chat log which had been copy/pasted and believes it to be CJ's golden ticket to shutting PJ down! Ah, circular logic, you gotta love it.

KissMe4Luck2 comes along 12/03/04 and posts the chat log. Due to the length I'll simply link to it here.

12/16/04 KissMe4Luck2:

I just received this e-mail from Leslie Blade concerning Mr. Andrews:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:06:47 -0500, leslieblade@fuse.net wrote:
> Bad news, Rob was indicted today. 4 felony counts 1 misdemeanor. Now the real
> war begins. I need you guys to watch for followup in the forums. Need to know
> how much of a relationship there is between PJ and a Detective Rick Sweeney.
>
> talk to ya soon, Lesllie

I must admit that I'm a tad confused why Leslie would spell her own name wrong. No, wait, I forgot she's an idiot.

PJ Buster:

Thanks. The active thread concerning this case is here:
Leslie Blade - Cincinnati CityBeat

If there are actual chats we are having with him then they would go here - unless they involve lawyer info or juicy progress against PJ. Kinda tricky to decide then.

JUICY PROGRESS! Shame there never was any JUICY PROGRESS for them, eh?

CJ Black Widow again looks to PJ for information, all the while screaming about the inaccuracy of anything PJ posts:

http://www.courtclerk.org/aps/ttl/l...26.asp?B0411815

COMMON PLEAS CRIMINAL CASE INFORMATION

Case Number: B 0411815 Municipal #:

Case Caption: STATE OF OHIO vs. ROB ANDREWS
Attorney Information:
Plaintiff
P1 BRADLEY J GREENBERG P55568
Defendant(s)
D1 H LOUIS SIRKIN 24573

Judge: DENNIS S HELMICK 156

Defendant Information:
ROB ANDREWS

Race: Sex: Age: DOB:

Case Information:
Filed:12/16/2004 5 - WARRANT ON INDICTMENT
Bond Amt: $10,000.00 10% CASH
Surety: PATRICIA A ANDREWS
Count:1 PAND SEX ORIENTED MATTER INVOLVING A MINOR 2907-322A1 ORCN
Count:2 PANDER SEX ORIENTED MATTER INVOLVING A MINOR 2907-322A5 ORCN
Count:3 ILL USE MINR NUDITY MATERIAL OR PERFORMANCE 2907-323A3 ORCN
Count:4 TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE 2921-12A1 ORCN
Count:5 ATTEMPT (IMPORTUNING) 2923-02A ORCN

This was a link posted by Xavier himself.

Stef makes an appearance:

Xavier posted the link eh? hrmm he would wouldnt he? Thanks for reposting it here Heidi! Im off to read it.... I really wanna know whats up with this case now, as between all the paranoia and the leslie blade stuff and now he is indicted.... sheesh so much suspense!
And Julie thanks so much for posting the above info and please post more from Leslie as you get it,.... Im really curious as to whats going on and I think we need to tread very carefully from here on out.

If only they'd listened to Stef, just this once. They'd have saved themselves a lot of egg-on-face.

Stef, not 15 minutes later, posts again:

http://www.courtclerk.org/EKASH/rad7A45C.pdf

Good lord, yall need to read this and look at the dates involved. This guy was under investigation apparently way before any chat he had with a PJer and he apparently destroyed evidence???? Images, child porn???

He is not looking like such a likable feller right now.

You'll remember that Stef is no longer with Corrupted Justice. Stef, it would seem, wasn't too keen on helping out Child Porn collectors. Not all CJers had such qualms. Some due to their own hobbies.

CJ Black Widow ignores the previous post, apparently not caring that Mr. Andrews was under investigation previously, to post this:

I am wondering now if Cop288 is Sweeney. And, you are right, Stef. We need tread a bit more carefully now.

Because the identity of the Contributor means more to CJ Black Widow than the guilt of the bust.

Stef responds:

Damn I hadnt considered that! It could very well be cop288 is Sweeney. Damn they could really have a cop working with them. Yep careful is what we have to be, since cj.com does not work with criminal cases and to go against any police investigation in any shape form or fashion, could land us in hot water. (not to mention that I personally dont want to obstruct any police investigation)
I dont know but reading the whole thing, I see that they have him with images and destruction of evidence, I mean that has NOTHING to do with PJ! I thought it ALL had to do with PJ and him being busted there....come to find out he has been being investigated for things other than a PJ chat. He doesnt seem so squeeky clean to me.

What's this you say!? PJ might have a real live COP working with them! Say it isn't so! Apparently Stef hadn't yet realized that CJ DID work with criminal cases and go against police investigations in all manner of shape, form and fashion.

Stef was quite worried, as she posted immediately following the last with:

Just got to thnking about cop288 and wondering IF he could be Sweeney .. and so I went to look at the chat again and I noticed some things that point towards him being an actual policeman. He used the word subject like a cop does AND he didnt feel the need to add to the chat with witty or humorous comment.. read this section at the beginning of the bust link, written by cop288:

(I was trolling in the Teen User Room, 11-13, Anything Goes when this subject IMed me and asked me if I wanted to view his webcam. The subject activated his webcam, and masturbated for the fictitious child.

Justice_4_All verified, and during the call, this subject
masturbated and told the fictitious child to do the same. There
really isnt a lot to say about this, the chat speaks for itself.)

Because "Cop288" wasn't clue enough to them that the Contributor might be a "cop" I guess. Though, for the record, Cop288 is not Detective Sweeney.

PJ Buster:

Thats fine if cop288 is a real cop doing sting operations. Whats not fine is if hes working within PJ and participating there.

I dont see that we have to be careful about anything. He have never interfered with any police investigation despite claims to the contrary by the PJ spinners. Whats appalling now is that PJ claims this case as a victory for THEM. We always pushed for police involvement and if that is what happened with this case then everything is fine.

We have to ask why did he try to destroy evidence? Did it have anything to do with his being posted on PJ or a PJ contributor harassing him tip him off?

I can sleep at night with the progress we have done here at CJ. Occasionally a bad guy is caught by real law enforcement. None of us has ever been against that.

Uh, what?

Chris, who by the way seems incapable of mastering the quote function, posts:

This is what Leslie Blade should pound away on publicly, if possible

Whats appalling now is that PJ claims this case as a victory for THEM. We always pushed for police involvement and if that is what happened with this case then everything is fine.

We have to ask why did he try to destroy evidence? Did it have anything to do with his being posted on PJ or a PJ contributor harassing him tip him off?

Are we sure that this guy just stumbled into PJs clutches, or is it possible that someone else with LE tossed a name PJs way, a name with a chatroom id, and then it was just a matter of PJ finding the online id in a chatroom and taking it from there? Or is this just too paranoid to even make any sense?

Chris, you never made sense. Ever.

KissMe4Luck2 makes about as much sense:

Chris wrote:

Are we sure that this guy just stumbled into PJs clutches, or is it possible that someone else with LE tossed a name PJs way, a name with a chatroom id, and then it was just a matter of PJ finding the online id in a chatroom and taking it from there? Or is this just too paranoid to even make any sense

?

This is what Leslie says they are thinking.

Stef:

So what is the news with Leslie? I have been very busy an not on YIM to chat with anyone the last few days, so Im curious what else Leslie has had to say about this case. Whats going on now? What happened to shutting down PJ and and and...... you get the drift:D

But you'll recall that CJ loves to claim that they never hoped to shut down PJ.

KissMe4Luck2:

I have no more news on this. The last she said, Rob Andrews was going to haul their asses into court. When, how quickly, etc. I have no idea. She said all the charges are false, everything being orchestrated to frame him. Who knows?

I believe the above post can be translated and summarized to read:

JAIL4LIFE!

PJ Buster, on 12/20/04 reposts something from the PJ mainpage:

12/16/04: We had an important indictment come down today, that of J. Robert Andrews, prominent defense attorney in Cincinnati. Mr. Andrews is better known to site readers as Manofdarkneedsl1951. Andrews found our contributor cop288 in a Cincinnati chat-room and initiated contact with Cop288s underage persona.

Andrews was posted, and immediately came up with some out-of-this-world scenarios, threatening and lying to our organization. He also partnered up with pro-pedophile groups to try to attack our website.

Fast forward to today:

Rob Andrews - indicted today on 5 counts, pandering, sexual material involving a minor, use of a minor in nudity, tampering with evidence, attempt to solicit.

The story was covered by the Cincinnati Post. Two paragraphs are of supreme interest. They follow:

From the Cincinnati Post article - Link

Andrews was indicted by a Hamilton County grand jury on two counts of pandering sexually oriented matter involving a minor, illegal use of a minor in nudity oriented material or performance, tampering with evidence, and attempted importuning -- charges that a maximum prison sentence of 17 years.

He is accused of possessing images of at least one child engaged in sex, soliciting or obtaining material showing a child engaged in sex, possessing or viewing material of a nude minor, destroying computer images with purpose to impair its value or availability as evidence in such proceeding or investigation, and trying to arrange sex with a child.

-----------------------

The accusations state that Andrews, after being searched by police in regards to our chat-log, apparently had and tried to destroy child pornography. If these prove true - and we have no doubt that they will - then congratulations are in order for the Ohio Police in acting upon our information quickly to take down what is most assuredly a disgusting, vile individual. Many thanks to them, and a Perverted-Justice.com thanks to cop288 for joining up and putting in the time involved to bust J. Robert Andrews.

http://www.perverted-justice.com/index.php?updates=recent

He also partnered up with pro-pedophile groups to try to attack our website. - ???? Yeah? Which organization would that be? I sure hope the police are investigating them too. If Xavvie means us, then I have failed to notice any partnering at all with this bust. We have had all so-called contact only indirectly with a reporter.

PJ Buster needs some rudimentary reading comprehension classes and help with his memory if he so quickly forgot all the aid offered to Rob Andrews by his fellow CJers.

Stef responds:

BUT we have NO idea what Leslie has said to Xavier about her communications with us, do we? We know she says she has been on contact with Xavier, to the point that she says her email was hacked and Xavier was quoting HER private emails between Leslie and Julie, Back to her. YET we have never seen one email or one YIM chat between her and Xavier, ot one. So we really dont know what was said, or what Xavier quoted back to her, OR if she told them of our involvment with furnishing her the info she requested for her friend and his attorney.

For all we know, she could have threatened Xavier, saying we were providing her with the information to bring PJ down, OR worse. When in fact, we suppiled what she, as a reporter and the friend of a PJ bust, asked for; information about busts, followups and real names of the anon PJers. THAT is not being partnered with them in any shape form or fashion. But we all know how things get distorted dont we? Next thing you know, all of us will be connected to that man in some fashion. I sure hope that doesnt happen, cause the first law enforcement officer that contacts me, is gonna hear exactly what I think of a man who would do all that this particular bust has been accused of.

On a personal note: I dont really trust this leslie blade person, no matter how much she seems legit. IF she is legit, then she used every one of us to further her cause, for her friend. If she hadnt used us, she would have happily kept someone in the loop and sent the emails or archives of her talks with Xavier and shown just how the almighty Xavier hacked her email. She seems full of promises, but only as long as we send her what she asks for. She wont get another drop from me. I was very shocked and surprised when her friend was indicted on 5 charges and then finding that only ONE pertained to the PJ chat....he seems not such a nice fella. Oh and its not that we need the copies of her chats or emails with Xavier, its that we would like to know she is telling the truth, since we took her on her word and gave her what she asked for.

Eh, Bah Humbug.

When you read what Stef thought about helping Rob Andrews back in 2004 it makes all the blustering by the rest of the CJ staff in 2005 and 2006 all the more interesting. Stef states, quite emphatically, that if law enforcement were to contact her she'd tell them exactly what she thought of Rob Andrews. Yet Dodger and KissMe4Luck2 were giddy with the prospect of being called as witnesses in his trial in their attempts to see him acquitted of all charges.

A rare post by the lurking jerk Stop Vigilante Justice:

From reading the five count indictment, Counts I and II I find to be alittle surprising. Its purported that Rob was under investigation from January, 2003 to November, 2004. In my mind that is an extended amount of time for any State Case, but however if it was a Federal Case that time frame would be consistant. It could be suggested that if indeed this cop Sweeney is the one going after Rob, it would make since that if Rob kicked Sweeneys ass in some 2001 or 2002 case in Court, then this could be some kind of payback. It would be nice to get a hold of the departmential records of this investigation and the time records Sweeney spent investigating these alleged allegations. I bet this would only come up to a dead end, because time records documenting Sweeneys time in investigating this probably dont exist.

Another question to raise would be, why would local police department allow the expenditure of funds to investigate a case for almost 2 years, sounds to me like some very artistic work when it comes to Counts I, II and III of the indictment, all three Counts allege he possessed child porn, but Count IV alleges he destroyed this information. If Rob destroyed this information, then how can he possess it?

Base on my knowledge and experience in seeing this kind of thing in the past, this is nothing but a yeah you kicked my ass in Court, Ill get you back for this someway, somehow. If Sweeney is in anyway connected to this case and what I suggest did indeed occur that Rob kicked Sweeneys ass in Court then this would set the stage for all these allegations. Maybe we need to find out alittle bit more on this Sweeney and his history with the department and cases he has been involved with.

Dave

Again: Uh, what?

Let me see if I can follow this, Paine was saying that maybe Rob Andrews, as a Defense Attorney, "kicked" Detective Sweeney's ass in court and therefore the entire local police department, possibly state or federal level even, as "payback" sought to frame Andrews on random child pornography charges. How could Rob "kick" Sweeney's ass? Sweeney could have, certainly, been on the witness stand, one supposes, of a case where Rob was the attorney and the defendant found "not guilty". Defense attornies win cases all the time, don't they? Why then aren't all defense attorneys all over America being framed? BECAUSE CJERS ARE INSANE.

KissMe4Luck2 chimes back in:

Here is an e-mail to me from Leslie today. Notice she mentions count 5 of the indictment, too.

Julie,
Use this email for a while. I am out of town. Interesting
PJ news update. Cop288 was in a Cincinnati chat room?
Huh? Ran it past Rob. Gets weirder and weirder. Is cop288
in Cincy? Actually Rick Sweeney? or another local? He was
not charged with giving a minor pictures of himself. Which
given the evidence they claim is really the only crime.
Whats with that? Read count 5. Only states 1 chat date.??
Keep in touch, Leslie

Yes, because, you see, Yahoo! filters out IPs and only allows IPs that are within a certain geographical area to access certain rooms. No, wait, that's not it, Yahoo! calls you on the phone and checks to make sure you LIVE in a certain area before allowing you in a chat room. No, wait, that's not it either. Yahoo! makes you register at a special office with your ID and fingerprints to be allowed in "local" rooms. Which is why you never see someone from another country in a Yahoo! chat room. Never.

Seriously though, where did these pod people spring from that have no understanding of how the internet works?

PJ Buster is the last post 12/21/04 that I can share with you, though I'm quite certain there were many, many more posts regarding Andrews:

Lou Sirkin needs an info package. PJ-101, a beginners guide to assholism.

Wonder if Sirkin ever did get that package. Didn't seem to do much good, did it?

So there you have it folks. The public and private machinations of CJ to help someone who not only masturbated on cam but collected child pornography and attempted to destroy evidence.

Next week we'll move on to someone new, I'm rather done thinking about Andrews now.

Save the Pedophile; Save the World

2008-04-26T20:02:00.001-07:00

Corrupted Justice members, (pedos), have always complained about the use of the media such as actual news, to expose the pedo epidemic. However the "reality" of TV dramas where pedophiles and predators are being protected are a show of the change of times. For future reference, my preference is with actual news programs where predators are exposed, arrested, and convicted.

Zman (an RSO at CJ) starts a thead about a new CSI Miami: To Kill A Predator. It brought some great pedo responses.

PJ Buster (Enabler) Wow. Seems this topic is popular among several series. I can't remember which one now, but last year there was an episode about a vigilante who lured predators. The vigilante was not painted in a good light neither.

These writers "get it". They know vigilantism isn't a good thing. Pity the media is all gaga over PJ for the most part.

Falloneone (RSO) Von Erck looks as cuddly as a cactus to me

There's a shock. Falloneone doesn't find X cuddly. However if X were a young nubile girl... that's another story.

PJ Buster (Enabler)I looked it up (the episode I war referring to). It was an episode of NUMB3RS...

"Killer Chat" - Don and Charlie try to catch a serial killer who is seeking revenge against internet sexual predators.

First aired Dec 15/06

I still have it saved on my TiVo for some reason.

Let me get this straight. There's a tv show where someoen is killing sexual predators and PJ Buster doesn't have it saved. There's a shocker. I bet it makes him cringe when he watches shows about his friends getting killed or arrested.

Falloneone (RSO)Well all things considered spending 16 hours a day playing prettyprncss13 is not my idea of a good time. My poor PS2, its getting dusty! 37 games being neglected so I can sit around discussing fat guys and gals playing jailbait and pocket pool all day.

However 16 hours a day soliciting a young girl... NOW THAT'S A PARTY!!!!

Falloneone (RSO)We should do TCAIT-- "To Catch An Internet Troll." Someone else has to be Hansen, because I wanna be one of the guys that get to tackle them to the ground Twisted Evil

That doesn't surprise me. I bet he has a list of things he'd like to do to people in law enforcement. You know he has some hatred to those who stopped him from future molestations.

Just to clarify. Personally I don't wish to see predators and pedophiles being hunted down and killed. I'd rather see them caught and convicted. At the same time, I won't lose any sleep if someone takes them out, and I'm sure not going to complain about tv shows made about it.

Morrow shows his colors; Fallenone shows his sad life

2008-04-23T19:52:00.000-07:00

Found these beauts while slipping through the muck and slime filled pedo den. Every once and a while, Dodger makes a statement that proves our point beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Also a great quote from Fallenone to show the joys of being a registered sex offender.

( http://www.corrupted-justice.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9366 )

Scott Morrow - One of my biggest issues with "cause" is that virtually every person who has been targeted by PJ, whether innocent or guilty, didn't have either the time, the money, the energy or the balls to go after PJ in a civil suit. Pretty much the only legal activity involving PJ has been from people DEFENDING themselves from criminal charges.

Yes.. one of Scott Morrow's biggest issues is the fact that people are defending themselves from criminal charges.

Fallenone - I also have every receipt I have received since December 2005, and a log book on every place I've been since the day I was released. Yes I can tell you what I've been doing and who I was with at any time on any day in the past five years!

That's got to be one damn exciting read. Also I'd love to see what a pile of every receipt from December 2005 looks like. I would bet his apedoment is a fire hazard.

Corrupted Justice and "Bust Interception" Part V

2008-04-20T09:47:00.000-07:00

Where to begin with J. Robert Andrews? I can tell you how he formerly served as the president of the Greater Cincinnati Criminal Defense Lawyers Association. Because, yes, J. Robert Andrews was a defense attorney in the state of Ohio.

J. Robert Andrews also had a dark secret. He used the online handle of manofdarkneedsl951 He was 53 years old when he Instant Messaged "Rachel" who he believed to be 13. He proceeded to masturbate on webcam for young "Rachel".

rachel_west90 (10:36:39 PM): Im 13 is that ok?
manofdarkneedsl951 (10:36:43 PM): yes
manofdarkneedsl951 (10:36:56 PM): you like to see men jack off?
rachel_west90 (10:37:12 PM): really?
manofdarkneedsl951 (10:37:15 PM): yes

As if transmitting porn to a minor wasn't enough, Mr. Andrews wasn't only interested in illicit online activities.

manofdarkneedsl951 (10:55:05 PM): are you a virgin?
rachel_west90 (10:55:07 PM): yea
manofdarkneedsl951 (10:55:26 PM): you want to change that?

manofdarkneedsl951 (10:21:39 PM): want to suck me?

This was a man with an arguably credible career. A supposed pillar of his community. And sadly no different than any of the other men busted by Perverted Justice. A dangerous online predator. An old man who sought out sex with an underage female.

Why then did I refer to him last week as Corrupted Justices "shining star"?

Crack open a cold one, take your phone off the hook and kick your feet up, this one is a doozy.

Despite having masturbated on webcam and giving "Rachel" his phone number during the course of the chats, being phone verified, LE confirming that the same chats posted by PJ were in fact found on Andrews computer, Andrews claimed he'd been hacked. Andrews personal friend Leslie Blade, some might call her a reporter, others wouldn't, wrote the following article in an effort to defend Andrews in the court of public opinion:

Full text of Leslie Blades delusions

There was also a rather amusingly paranoid conspiracy theory article written by another "reporter" or who some might consider, hack, Deb Radcliff:

Tar and feathering in the digital age

While there are plenty of media reports quoted on her site to back up her assertions, one recent cover story in the Cincinnati CityBeat is most comprehensive. It tells of several men who've been publicly ruined only to find out later it was a case of mistaken identity. In some cases, it turns out their computers were remotely controlled by Trojan horse bots; or IM accounts were hijacked by criminals posing as them. In one case, the accused simply had his photo stolen and used. In that case, the wrongly-accused man told the CityBeat writers that he felt sick and scared when he saw his photo on Perverted-Justice.com. "I still have fears about going out and talking to people because they may have seen the site," he added. "It makes it hard to live life." And yet, the article says, the hacker administrator of the site was nonchalant.

Because, sure, someone remotely controlled Andrews computer and turned on his webcam, typed to "Rachel" and sent his phone number while Andrews just happened to be sitting at the keyboard and could be seen via webcam typing. I think perhaps aliens invading his body and doing it would have been more plausible. Better yet a previously unknown evil twin brother out for revenge. Maybe sleepwalking? Multiple Personality Disorder? Nah, I think aliens would have been his best bet.

Especially when you consider that Law Enforcement also found child pornography on Andrews computer. Yeah, real stand-up guy.

Andrews hired Lou Sirkin as his defense attorney. Sirkin, of Larry Flint of Hustler fame, was rather well known. Sirkin also apparently had plenty of time to file copious amounts of motions and other nonsense to delay the legal process.

What kind of motions? Well, they tried to have the evidence found by LE as a result of two search warrants disallowed. Sirkin didn't like that Perverted Justice was the source of the "tip" to LE that instigated the investigation. The judge, obviously having an IQ higher than the temperature on a warm spring day, threw out the motions and upheld the validity of the warrants.

Those would be the warrants that revealed the same chat that Perverted Justice had posted were found on Andrews' home computer.

Follows is a sampling of the idiocy that Corrupted Justice admin and members spewed for two years following Andrews bust:

Dodger:

The hacking business involved a private forum or chat room (not sure which)that the bust frequented with a number of his friends. They all ended up getting hacked and virused with some sort of trojan, and it appears they were possibly targeted by PJer(s) due to their relationship with the lawyer who was busted.

and

If anyone can get into the PJ forums and print out anything at all - FU info, etc. on Manofdarkneeds - the lawyer that was busted. She told me he has been
framed. She's not sure yet by whom, but seems to think the Cininnati cops are working with PJ to frame this guy. He is hopping mad too, and wants heads to roll. All are working in cooperation with Dennis. Leslie said it is their goal to get PJ shut down THIS WEEK!!!

That particular week was in June of 2005, btw.

She is a VERY close friend of the lawyer who got outed. He has helped her on a number of stories and she feels very loyal to him.

One of KissMe4Luck2's favorite arguments in defense of Andrews was that both the Contrib and Verifier were not credible witnesses:

In the case of some PJers, such as cop288, it took months for the prosecution (and or PJ and DIMatteo) to reveal his true identity. The whole Andrews case was hung up for awhile on this point alone. It was only after his identity was found and a background check made, that he was then discredited as a witness, something which probably would not have happened had his true identity been concealed.

Right, sure, okay.

She went on to say:

I think it's very telling that a man who's a lawyer himself, and knows better than any of us his chances for getting his name cleared and walking away with no sentence, or facing the stiff sentence and fines that will be imposed, should he lose, still wants to take this thing to trial. He must feel he is being wronged and wants to fight for his rights. Why else would someone risk everything and go to trial?

It should be very interesting, with either outcome.

PJ Buster had this gem:

and justice4all the phone verifier.....
A private investigator could not even confirm she has a phone.

They could have saved everyone some money and asked Andrews whether she had a phone, after all, he talked to her. Wouldn't it be handy if the phone company kept records of calls, OH HAI GUYZ! THEY DO!

For a break for the insane ramblings of the dot commers, let's review some of the court records, shall we? We shall!

During the chat conversation, manofdarkneedsl951 solicited sexual activity from rachel_west90 who claimed in the chats she was 13-years-of-age. The phone number provided was traced back to the defendant at the residence ***removed***, and internet access exists at the home. The e-mail used in the chat conversations traced back to the defendant and his residence address. Defendant's internet account was accessed during the times alleged in the chat conversations. Detectives confirmed that the picture appeared to be a picture of the defendant.
Defendant claims, however, that the independent corrobortation obtained by Detective Sweeney is insufficient to provide probably cuase to the information obtained by an unidentified tipster, in this case the Perverted Justice website. Judge Davis determined the opposite by executing the search warrant. The information obtained by police regarding defendant's telephone number, e-mail address, internet account, log-in times, and defendants posted picture, is independent corroboration of the reliablity of Perverted Justice's posted information.
Defendant claims that Detective Sweeney's affidavit and investigation did nothing to confirm the reliability of the perverted justice web site. The State disagrees as already outlined above. There was clearly confirmation of details of the chats to sugges and give reliability to the perverted justice chats. Detective Sweeney reasonably felt so in applying for the search warrant. Judge Davis reasonably felt so in signing the search warrant.

(***Since it appears Andrews has relocated from Ohio to Pennsylvania I've removed the address from the quote above, though it is still publicly available in all the court records***)

Sums it all up pretty nicely, wouldn't you say? Ah, but even two years later Corrupted Justice hasn't given up their claim that Perverted Justice chat logs aren't good enough to start the ball rolling. Nor have they given up claiming that ONLY the logs are looked at by LE when quite clearly LE does corroborate the evidence provided to them. If they didn't surely there wouldn't be 269 convictions posted so far on PJ, would there?

There were so many claims about Andrews innocence, so very much about his "daycare sex" entitled Child Pornography swept under the proverbial rug that it was nearly anti-climatic when the following happened:

Cincinnati lawyer Rob Andrews was convicted Friday on charges involving the attempted solicitation of a minor over the Internet. Andrews, 55, pleaded no contest in Hamilton County Common Pleas Court to charges of attempted importuning and attempted tampering with evidence. The plea means Andrews did not admit guilt, but Judge Dennis Helmick convicted him and set June 15 as his sentencing date. Andrews faces up to 18 months in jail and a possible suspension or loss of his law license. Authorities charged Andrews after Perverted Justice, a private organization that targets online predators, performed an Internet sting earlier this year. He was accused of trying to meet with a 13-year-old girl for sex.

Yeah, that's right, Mr. BigShot plead out. Mr. Innocent hacker victim copped a plea. One has to wonder just how it came about that Mr. Andrews suddenly faced the fact that he was guilty, everyone not on his payroll, and admittedly likely even they knew, knew he was guilty and the jig was up.

Corrupted Justice wasn't as ready to give up though. No, not our dear, delusional den of enablers.

KissMe4Luck2:

I predict there will be more to tell in the not so distant future.

CJ Black Widow:

I was going to spill the beans, but instead I will wait.

KissMe4Luck2:

I am only telling you what I have been told I can divulge from Mr. Andrew's lawyers.

But from the lack of PJ evidence and credible wtinesses, it would seem Mr. Andrews has a fair chance at winning an appeal.

That was May of 2006. It's April of 2008. No beans have been spilled. Nothing more to be told. Unless you count his sentencing and disbarrment. Which I, for one, do. I don't think it's quite what they had in mind though.

KissMe4Luck2:

I have no clue what his game plan is.

Are you really that dense, or just trying to make us believe you are that dense?

I would believe he is pleading because he feels he has a case to make for him not chatting at all, given the fact that no trace of any chat can be found on any computer, even PJ's, no web cam pics can be authenticated for that same reason, and PJ doesn't have one credible witness that can refute Rob's claims that he did not have the chat.

Now if you have proof to the contrary you sure as heck better call Joe Deters and give it to him because June 15th is only about a month away.

I'm sure we will both find out what Rob's game plan is on or about June 15th. I say, instead of either of us speculating, let's just wait and see.

Yes, that's right folks, because the court records state that the chats were in fact authenticated but a sleazy internet predator says it isn't so CJ is more than happy to give the predator the benefit of the doubt.

Also the no contest plea specifically stated:

I understand the plea of No Contest is an admission of the truth of the facts alleged in the indictment.

One would expect an experienced Criminal Defense Attorney to not have been confused by that verbiage. J. Robert Andrews signed court documents admitting the TRUTH OF THE FACTS in relation to the charges brought against him.

Nevermind how many times CJ claimed that "innocent until proven guilty!" was their warcry. "innocent even after proven guilty!" is far more apt.

Poor delusional PJ Buster:

Under the circumstances it appears he is doing just that. But seriously, he's not our poster boy yet. That process has not yet begun.
(I've said too much. I'll return to my corner.)

Pinning your hopes and dreams to a collector of child pornography is never a good idea, boys and girls.

KissMe4Luck2, yet again:

Yep. That about says it. And since he's a lawyer, and has retained two other fine lawyers to defend him, I think he has a plan. Don't you?

I'm sure we will both find out what Rob's game plan is on or about June 15th. I say, instead of either of us speculating, let's just wait and see.

The spinning never stopped at CJ over Andrews, KissMe4Luck2 also had this to say:

You have this intense hatred for Rob Andrews because PJ ACCUSED him of a crime. And because he's a lawyer, you distain him even more. You think he should be drawn and quartered on the words of a few anonymous gamers?

If he did the crime, he should be punished for it. But when the evidence is lacking, and no credible witnesses for the prosecution can be found, how can you be sure Rob Andrews did anything?

I prefer to let the courts sort the truth about Rob Andrews out and IF he is found guilty of a crime, then charge him. If he's not found guilty, I hope he sues PJ and Hamilton Co. for ruining his reputatiion.

Depressing to think the woman is a schoolteacher, and not just because she defends predators, but because her spelling was just so atrocious. Her thought process, "if he's found guilty of a crime, then charge him" Read that a few times and see if you don't weep at the sheer ignorance.

In the interest of public knowledge, do feel free to visit Andrews Sex Offender Registry page. It would appear he's relocated from Ohio to Pennsylvania as of this posting. Lists "Comfort Inn" as his residence. Quite the digs for a former hot shot attorney.

It's time for some more of the FACTS about the case and another break from the outlandish claims made by CJ. Previously posted on the Cincypost website:

"Perverted-Justice.com" displayed a picture of Andrews, without a shirt, and said he was the man - calling himself "manofdarkneeds" - who had a cybersex chat with a person he believed to be a 13-year-old girl.

"The forensic examination also has produced evidence of Mr. Andrews' Internet chats with other females, some of which may be minors," Hamilton County Sheriff's Detective Rick Sweeney wrote in an affidavit. "One female describes herself as 14-years of age and exposes her breasts and her genitals to Mr. Andrews during a chat.

"During his examination, (an officer) recovered an image that depicted a minor or juvenile child engaged in sexual activity."

Police served search warrants on Cincinnati Bell and on Internet service provider Yahoo and determined Andrews was the owner of the accounts used to access those images and also used account names, besides "manofdarkneeds":

legalbegal12

manoftheworld

notlovedalwaysmano

thedarktraveler

darktravelerofevil

Among the names of the files deleted from a tower computer and a laptop seized from Andrews that police believe supports the charges of kiddie porn on the computers, the most tame were "day caresex" and "girlscoutrapehome."

Court documents accuse Andrews of using his Internet account at Schuh and Goldberg - the Madison Road law firm from which he resigned in November after allegations surfaced against him - to view the images that resulted in the criminal charges.

Police seized two computers, two VHS tapes, two CD Roms, a Web cam and telephone bill from his Werk Road address.

Yet CJ lined up, sat and begged to defend this man. CJ rushed to aid this man. They provided thankfully hopelessly ineffectual information to his defense team in an effort to help him avoid being brought to justice.

Lucky for society in general and young children specifically CJ is as helpful as an ice cream cone in the dead of winter to warm you up.

Lawyer Gets 3 Years Probation In Internet Sex Sting

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POSTED: 12:07 pm EDT June 15, 2006
CINCINNATI -- A prominent Tri-State lawyer was sentenced to three years probation in connection with an Internet sex sting.

Rob Andrews had faced two counts of pandering sexually oriented materials involving a minor, one count of illegal use of a minor in nudity materials, tampering with evidence, and attempted importuning.

In December 2004, police said they executed a search warrant on Andrews' house and found numerous pornographic images on his computer.

Andrews had faced up to 15 years in prison if convicted on all counts. In addition to the probation, Andrews must pay a $5,000 fine.

When someone pointed out to CJ that Andrews was indeed now a registered sex offender Dodger was none to happy:

You will not post pages from sex offender registries here.

RAWR! Now let's remember, folks, throughout all their claims of hackers and trojans and viruses and police conspiracies to frame, CJ continued their own "evidence collecting" of screenshots and saving chat logs they claimed involved conversations with PJers. You know, to SHUT PJ DOWNZORZ! Because their evidence was 100% authentic, but PJs was completely falsified.

Which is why PJ has 269 publicly posted convictions as a result of their evidence packages, and CJ has.....oh, that's right. None. Because PJ busts bad people doing illegal things. CJ simply documents PJ working with Law Enforcement to do it.

KissMe4Luck2, you gotta give her this, she's tenacious. Like a dog with a bone, she couldn't let the truth interfere with her claims:

Duh. It's under appeal, so crow all you want. It's not over yet.

and:

Yah, well... nothing is over yet, so you can crow till the cows come home, but it means nothing. Just becuase you see it in print doesn't make it so.

Just because the chatlogs are posted on PJ, just because the court records state it, just because the media has printed it DOESN'T MAKE IT SO! Right, okay.

This next post I'm posting along with the posting date, as it's immensely relevant:

KM4L2
Corrupted-Justice Volunteer

Joined: 30 May 2004
Posts: 1755
Location: wherever I want to be

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Yep. I do. There are many more articles to support what I found than what you found. But who cares. I'm locking the thread. Enough is enough. Wait for the news to come out when Rob is done appealing.

22 months later. Thread is surely still locked. No news yet. Yawn.

Little gems like this from Leslie Blade are even more amusing now:

Anything they say in forums needs to be archived for court. They don't know what it is like to testify. Won't be anonymous anymore. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. If they think Rob is going to plea they are sadley mistaken. They are all getting their asses hauled to Cincinnati.

Andrews was disbarred, which is public record and viewable here KissMe4Luck2 would tell you not to believe everything you read. Mainly because she's a freaking idiot.

An excerpt, but really it's worth your time to read it and, you know, crow:

The Supreme Court of Ohio
CASE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS...
August 3, 2006
[Cite as 08/03/2006 Case Announcements, 2006-Ohio-3936.]
MOTION AND PROCEDURAL RULINGS
DISCIPLINARY CASES
2006-1260. In re Andrews.
On June 30, 2006, and pursuant to Gov.Bar R. V(5)(A)(3), the Secretary of the Board of Commissioners on Grievances and Discipline of the Supreme Court of Ohio certified to the Supreme Court a certified copy of a judgment entry of a felony conviction against John Robert Andrews, an attorney licensed to practice law in the state of Ohio.

* Upon consideration thereof and pursuant to Gov.Bar R. V(5)(A)(4), it is ordered and decreed that John Robert Andrews, Attorney Registration No. 0006931, last known business address in West Chester, Ohio, is suspended from the practice of law for an interim period, effective as of the date of this entry.

After someone posted the above information on CJ Dodger had this to say:

Um... Thanks for the info... But.. um... This is public information... What's with the suggestion to "enjoy"? Are you suggesting that this case should somehow be more "enjoyable" than the thousands of other similar cases adjudicated in our nation's courts every day?

I'm not really sure what sort of stuff goes through your mind when posting this stuff - Is it "Boy, THIS will sure get them..." ? ... If so - I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree - Any case that is actually adjudicated in an actual court of law, in front of a judge or jury, with witnesses, real verified evidence, trained law enforcement investigators, etc. is EXACTLY what we wish had occurred with all 1100+ PJ cases.

Whether found guilty or innocent, there is no "joy" on our part at the outcome. Only "joy" that rather than PJ's typical vigilante resolution, they listened to our demands and did a few the right way. Obviously this sort of thing gives YOU some joy... If only PJ had started paying attention to our demands earlier - Just imagine how many cases there would have been for you to "enjoy".

Dodger

Maybe if he tells himself that a few thousand more times he'll believe it. Now suddenly PJ did this bust the "right way" due to CJ's demands. Nevermind that CJ had spent the previous 18 months claiming PJ hacked and framed poor Andrews.

Nearly a year later KissMe4Luck2 had this to say about Andrews:

In the case of Rob Andrews, I believe he pled guilty to the last two charges, importuining and hiding or destroying evidence, just so he could appeal the conviction. He was all ready to go to trial on May 10, 2006, when he found out about a week in advance that the TCAP in Greenville, OH was set to run the weekend before! Who would get a fair trial in OH when a TCAP series based on men caught in that state was running just prior to the start of the trial??? A plea agreement made much more sense.

I find this particularly enjoyable.

You, dear readers, may be wondering now whatever happened to CJs beloved appeal that they were so anticipating being filed by Andrews. Allow me to repost it in all it's glory:

IN THE COURT OF APPEALS FIRST APPELLATE DISTRICT OF OHIO HAMILTON COUNTY,
OHIO STATE OF OHIO, Plaintiff-Appellee,
vs.
ROB ANDREWS, Defendant-Appellant.

APPEAL NO. C-060545
TRIAL NO. B-0411815

O P I N I O N. Criminal Appeal From: Hamilton County Court of Common Pleas Judgment Appealed From Is: Affirmed Date of Judgment Entry on Appeal: April 27, 2007 Joseph T. Deters, Hamilton County Prosecuting Attorney, and Ronald W. Springman, Jr., Assistant Prosecuting Attorney, for Plaintiff-Appellee, Sirkin Pinales & Schwartz LLP, H. Louis Sirkin and Candace C. Crouse, and Clayton G. Napier, for Defendant-Appellant. Please note: This case has been removed from the accelerated calendar.

OHIO FIRST DISTRICT COURT OF APPEALS

SYLVIA S. HENDON, Judge. {¶1} Defendant-appellant Rob Andrews was convicted upon a no-contest plea of attempted importuning and attempted tampering with evidence. In return for Andrews’ plea, the state dismissed charges of pandering sexually oriented matter involving a minor and illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material or performance. {¶2} Andrews now appeals. In two assignments of error, he argues that the trial court erred in overruling his motion to dismiss the charge of attempted importuning and that the trial court erred in denying his motion to suppress. Factual Background {¶3} On November 16, 2004, Hamilton County Sheriff’s Detective Rick Sweeney received a telephone call from Cincinnati Enquirer reporter Sharon Coolidge. Coolidge directed Sweeney to a website operated by the organization “Perverted Justice.” Perverted Justice is a foundation “that is dedicated to exposing adults who use the Internet to seek sexual activity with children.”1 The foundation recruits and trains adult volunteers to pose as children in Internet chatrooms. The volunteers wait for adults to contact them and engage them in sexually oriented conversations. Perverted Justice often posts transcripts of the volunteers’ conversations with Internet predators on its website. {¶4} Coolidge informed Detective Sweeney that Perverted Justice’s website featured a sexually explicit conversation between a Cincinnati attorney and a Perverted Justice volunteer posing as a 13-year-old girl. The Cincinnati attorney, whom Sweeney was later able to identify as Andrews, communicated under the screen name “manofdarkneedsl951.”2 The Perverted Justice volunteer operated under the screen name “rachel_west90.” Sweeney viewed the conversations that Coolidge had identified. The following are excerpts from a conversation between “manofdarkneedsl951” and “rachel_west90” posted on Perverted Justice’s website.3
{¶5} “Rachel_west90: where do u live?
{¶6} “Manofdarkneedsl951: ohio * * *
{¶7} “Rachel_west90: Im 13 is that ok?
{¶8} “Manofdarkneedsl951: yes
{¶9} “Manofdarkneedsl951: you like to see men jack off?
{¶10} “Rachel_west90: really?
{¶11} “Manofdarkneedsl951: yes * * *
{¶12} “Manofdarkneedsl951: you masterbate
{¶13} “Rachel_west90: yea * * *
{¶14} “Manofdarkneedsl951: you have pics?
{¶15} “Rachel_west90: I have 2
{¶16} “Manofdarkneedsl951: send?
{¶17} “Rachel_west90: ok * * *
{¶18} “Rachel_west90: can you turn on a light
{¶19} “Rachel_west90: I can hardly see
{¶20} “Rachel_west90: wow * * *
{¶21} “Manofdarkneedsl951: you want to meet an older man?
{¶22} “Rachel_west90: maybe * * *
{¶23} “Rachel_west90: whats your e mail
{¶24} “Manofdarkneedsl951: robnaq@yahoo.com
{¶25} “Rachel_west90: ok hold on I’ll e mail it [her picture] * * *
{¶26} “Manofdarkneedsl951: which are you? [referring to the picture] {¶27} “Rachel_west90: Im on the right. I used to live in Texas
{¶28} “Manofdarkneedsl951: I like
{¶29} “Rachel_west90: ty
{¶30} “Manofdarkneedsl951: are you a virgin?
{¶31} “Rachel_west90: yea
{¶32} “Manofdarkneedsl951: you want to change that?
{¶33} “Rachel_west90: maybe
{¶34} “Rachel_west90: will u be gentls?
{¶35} “Manofdarkneedsl951: have you done anything sexually?
{¶36} “Manofdarkneedsl951: yes
{¶37} “Rachel_west90: just kissed * * *
{¶38} “Rachel_west90: whats your name?
{¶39} “Manofdarkneedsl951: rob * * *
{¶40} “Manofdarkneedsl951: you close to cumming
{¶41} “Rachel_west90: no, Ive just been watching u
{¶42} “Rachel_west90: are u?
{¶43} “Manofdarkneedsl951: I can wait for you
{¶44} “Manofdarkneedsl951: you have any pubic hair?
{¶45} “Rachel_west90: wanna talk on the phone for a min?
{¶46} “Rachel_west90: just a little
{¶47} “Manofdarkneedsl951: number?
{¶48} “Rachel_west90: Id have to call u. My mom has caller ID
{¶49} “Manofdarkneedsl951: 513-378-6608”
{¶50} And the following are excerpts from a subsequent conversation between manofdarkneedsl951 and rachel_west90.
{¶51} “Manofdarkneedsl951: you want to see me cum? * * *
{¶52} “Manofdarkneedsl951: are you nude?
{¶53} “Rachel_west90: no * * *
{¶54} “Rachel_west90: why do u like younger gurls
{¶55} “Manofdarkneedsl951: nice and tight * * *
{¶56} “Manofdarkneedsl951: want to suck me?
{¶57} “Rachel_west90: i never done that
{¶58} “Manofdarkneedsl951: want to? * * *
{¶59} “Manofdarkneedsl951: have you seen a man cum? * * *
{¶60} “Manofdarkneedsl951: i want to f**k you to
{¶61} “Rachel_west90: will u come out here to where I am? * * *
{¶62} “Manofdarkneedsl951: will you do all if i do
{¶63} “Rachel_west90: will u use a condom? * * *
{¶64} “Manofdarkneedsl951: yes
{¶65} “Manofdarkneedsl951: i came”

{¶66} After viewing these conversations, Detective Sweeney verified that Andrews was, in fact, manofdarkneedsl951. We discuss the steps that Sweeney took to acquire this verification in detail below. Sweeney obtained and executed two search warrants during his investigation, and Andrews was arrested and indicted for two counts of pandering sexually oriented matter involving a minor, illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material or performance, tampering with evidence, and attempted importuning. {¶67} Andrews filed a motion to suppress all evidence seized during the execution of the two search warrants, arguing that the warrants had been issued without probable cause. He additionally filed a motion to dismiss the charge of attempted importuning, which he asserted was not a criminal act. The trial court overruled both motions. Attempted Importuning 1. Attempted Importuning is a Criminal Offense {¶68} In his first assignment of error, Andrews argues that the trial court erred in denying his motion to dismiss the charge of attempted importuning. Andrews asserts that the offense of importuning is itself an attempt crime. Therefore, he argues, attempted importuning is not a crime because it would amount to an attempt of an attempt. {¶69} Importuning is defined in R.C. 2907.07. R.C. 2907.07(D), the subdivision applicable to this case, provides the following: {¶70} “No person shall solicit another by means of a telecommunications device, as defined in section 2913.01 of the Revised Code, to engage in sexual activity with the offender when the offender is eighteen years of age or older and either of the following applies: {¶71} “(1) The other person is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age, the offender knows that the other person is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age or is reckless in that regard, and the offender is four or more years older than the other person. {¶72} “(2) The other person is a law enforcement officer posing as a person who is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age, the offender believes that the other person is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age or is reckless in that regard, and the offender is four or more years older than the age the law enforcement officer assumes in posing as the person who is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age.”
{¶73} To support his argument that the offense of attempted importuning amounts to an attempt of an attempt, Andrews relies on State v. Harper,4 a case from the Third Appellate District. In Harper, the court analyzed the offense of attempted intimidation of a witness. The court reasoned that because the offense of intimidation of a witness was defined as “no person * * * shall attempt to influence, intimidate or hinder * * *[a] witness involved in a criminal action * * *,” it prohibited both actual and attempted intimidation.5 The court concluded that attempted intimidation of a witness was not a cognizable crime because it involved an attempt to commit an attempt.6 {¶74} Andrews additionally relies on State v. Anderson,7 a 1979 Lucas County municipal court decision that held that the offense of soliciting was an attempt crime. The soliciting statute, R.C. 2907.24, provides that “[n]o person shall solicit another to engage with such other person in sexual activity for hire.” The Anderson court determined that the offense of soliciting was nothing more than an attempt to engage in the offense of prostitution, defined by R.C. 2907.25 as engaging in sexual activity for hire. The court thus concluded that attempted soliciting was not a cognizable offense. {¶75} Andrews also directs us to Seo v. Austintown Township,8 which set aside a massage business’s license revocation where an employee had been convicted of attempted soliciting. The Seventh Appellate District, apparently persuaded by Anderson, held that the revocation could not have been grounded on an attempted soliciting offense. The court held that an attempted-soliciting charge criminalized the “attempt to attempt to engage in the offense of prostitution,” and that such an offense did not exist under Ohio law.9 {¶76} We are not persuaded by Andrews’ arguments. Unlike the offense of intimidation of a witness discussed in Harper, importuning is not defined by R.C. 2907.07 in terms of an attempt. The word “attempt” appears nowhere in the language of the statute. The offense of importuning prohibits the soliciting of certain persons to engage in sexual activity, not the attempt to solicit such persons. {¶77} And we are similarly not persuaded by the limited reasoning in Anderson. Although importuning requires the soliciting of sexual activity, a charge of importuning does not involve an attempt to engage in the sexual activity that has been solicited. Rather, for the offense of importuning, “the harm is in the asking.”10 Consequently, we hold that the offense of attempted importuning does not amount to an attempt of an attempt and that it is a cognizable crime. And in the present case, the offense was properly charged as such. {¶78} Ohio’s attempt law is codified in R.C. 2923.02, which provides that “[n]o person, purposely or knowingly, and when purpose or knowledge is sufficient culpability for the commission of an offense, shall engage in conduct that, if successful, would constitute or result in the offense.”11 A criminal attempt occurs when “one purposely does or omits to do anything which is an act or omission constituting a substantial step in a course of conduct planned to culminate in his commission of the crime.”12 A substantial step involves conduct that is “strongly corroborative of the actor’s criminal purpose.”
{¶79} Andrews solicited sexual activity from a person whom he believed to be 13 years of age. He clearly and unequivocally took a substantial step towards the commission of the offense of importuning. But the person whom Andrews solicited was not an actual 13-year-old. Nor was the person a law enforcement officer posing as a 13-year-old. Instead, Andrews solicited sexual activity from a civilian adult posing as a 13-year-old on behalf of the Perverted Justice Organization. Soliciting from a civilian adult who is not a law enforcement officer is not directly proscribed by R.C. 2907.07(D). {¶80} The fact that Andrews solicited a civilian adult, rather than a person identified in the statute, is the only factor that made his actions an attempted criminal act, as opposed to a completed offense. We note that “[i]t is no defense to a charge under this section that, in retrospect, commission of the offense that was the object of the attempt was either factually or legally impossible under the attendant circumstances, if that offense could have been committed had the attendant circumstances been as the actor believed them to be.”14 Andrews believed that he had been communicating with a 13-year-old female. And he clearly solicited sexual activity from the person whom he had believed to be 13. Had the circumstances existed as he believed them to be, Andrews would have committed the offense of importuning. {¶81} Consequently, we hold that a defendant may be charged with attempted importuning under R.C. 2907.07(D) when the sole factor making the crime an attempted offense is the fact that the victim is not a child between 13 and 15 years of age or a law enforcement officer posing as a child between 13 and 15 years of age, but rather is an adult civilian posing as a child who is 13 to 15 years of age. 14 R.C. 2923.02(B).
{¶82} Our conclusion is supported by case law from several states. In Wisconsin v. Robins,15 the Supreme Court of Wisconsin considered whether Wisconsin’s child-enticement statute could support a charge of attempt when no actual child victim was involved. Robins had engaged in sexually explicit online conversations with a person whom he had believed to be a 14-year-old boy, but who was actually an agent from the Department of Justice posing as a 14-year-old.16 Wisconsin’s child-enticement statute prohibited certain actions against a child less than 18 years of age. But unlike R.C. 2907.07, the Wisconsin child-enticement statute prohibited not only the completed act of child enticement, but attempted acts as well.17 {¶83} Like Andrews, Robins argued that he been charged with “an attempt to attempt a crime.”18 The Wisconsin Supreme Court disagreed and held that “the offense of attempted child enticement * * * may be charged where the intervening extraneous factor that makes the offense an attempted rather than completed crime is the fact that unbeknownst to the defendant, the ‘victim’ is not an actual child, but, rather, an adult government agent posing as a child.”19 The court thus concluded that child enticement could be charged as an attempt even though the offense had been defined in terms of an attempt. {¶84} Adams v. Wyoming,20 a case from the Wyoming Supreme Court, is also persuasive. Adams had been convicted of violating two statutes that prohibited various types of sexual conduct either with a child or with a child under the age of 16.21 Adams had engaged in sexually explicit online conversations with a person he had believed to be a 15-year-old female, but who was actually a law enforcement officer.22 {¶85} Adams argued on appeal that the trial court had erred in denying his motion to dismiss because no actual minor had been involved. After noting that the statutes that Adams had been convicted of violating did not criminalize the attempt to commit the crimes described therein,23 the Wyoming Supreme Court held that “the presence of a minor victim is not a requisite for a conviction of attempted solicitation of a minor under [the statutes that Adams had been charged with violating].”24 {¶86} An Indiana appellate court addressed this issue in Laughner v. Indiana.25 Laughner had engaged in online conversations of a sexual nature with, and had attempted to meet, a person he believed to be a 14-year-old boy. But the person Laughner had been communicating with was actually a law enforcement officer. Laughner was convicted of attempted child solicitation. On appeal, Laughner argued that he could not have committed attempted child solicitation because he had not communicated with a child. The court disagreed and held that attempted child solicitation is committed when a defendant “engages in an overt act that constitutes a substantial step toward soliciting someone believed to be a child under fourteen to engage in sexual activity, even if it turns out the solicited person is an adult.”26 {¶87} Not only the application of the law, but ordinary common sense dictates our conclusion that attempted importuning may be charged when the defendant believes that he has solicited a child of a certain age, but the reality is that the person solicited is not one described in the statute defining importuning. {¶88} Further, strong public policy has resulted in many states enacting child-enticement and importuning statutes to protect children from people like Andrews, those who troll the Internet searching for susceptible victims. It would surely frustrate the intent of Ohio’s legislative efforts in this regard if Andrews were to be successful in his argument that he could not be convicted of attempted importuning despite his blatant attempts to solicit one he believed to be a minor for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity. {¶89} As the United States Supreme Court has noted, “[t]he sexual abuse of a child is a most serious crime and an act repugnant to the moral instincts of a decent people.”27 And this exploitation and abuse of children has been facilitated by the access the Internet provides. While the Internet has indisputably advanced modern communication, it has also provided people who abuse and molest children with a way to reach their victims in a method that is difficult to monitor. These factors give good reason for criminalizing the attempted importuning of a civilian adult whom the offender believes to be a child. {¶90} In summary, we conclude that attempted importuning does not constitute an attempt of an attempt, and that a defendant may be charged with attempted importuning under R.C. 2907.07(D) when the defendant would have committed the offense of importuning but for the fact that the victim was a person not identified in the statute. The trial court did not err in overruling Andrews’ motion to dismiss on the grounds that attempted importuning is not a criminal offense.
2. The Offense of Attempted Importuning is not Unconstitutional {¶91} In his first assignment of error, Andrews additionally argues that the trial court erred in overruling his motion to dismiss because attempted importuning criminalizes speech that is presumptively protected by the First Amendment. {¶92} Relying on the United States Supreme Court’s decision in Ashcroft v. The Free Speech Coalition,28 Andrews argues that his online communication was entitled to unfettered First Amendment protection because it did not involve an actual minor. We disagree. {¶93} This court has already addressed whether the offense of importuning under R.C. 2907.07 infringes upon the right of free speech guaranteed by the First Amendment in the case of State v. Tarbay.29 Like Andrews, Tarbay had communicated online with a person whom he had believed to be a 13-year-old girl. But Tarbay had actually been communicating with a Hamilton County deputy sheriff. Among other offenses, Tarbay was convicted of five counts of importuning. {¶94} When evaluating Tarbay’s claim that the offense of importuning infringed upon his right to free speech, we recognized that the First Amendment does protect discussion about and soliciting sexual activity between two adults.30 But we also noted that the state had a compelling interest in protecting minors from unlawful sexual contact, and that the offense of importuning “[was] aimed not at preventing the expression of ideas, but at ‘prohibiting adults from taking advantage of minors and the anonymity and ease of communicating through telecommunications devices, especially the Internet and instant messaging devices, by soliciting minors to engage in sexual activity.’ ”31 With these concerns in mind, we concluded that “there is simply ‘no First Amendment right to attempt to persuade minors to engage in illegal sex acts.’ ”32 {¶95} The Tarbay court clearly and correctly determined that Ohio’s importuning statute does not infringe upon the First Amendment’s right to freedom of speech. Consequently, Andrews’ argument is without merit. {¶96} Because attempted importuning is a cognizable offense and does not infringe on the First Amendment, we conclude that the trial court did not err in overruling Andrews’ motion to dismiss. The first assignment of error is overruled. Motion to Suppress {¶97} In his second assignment of error, Andrews argues that the trial court erred in overruling his motion to suppress the evidence obtained from the execution of the two search warrants issued to Detective Sweeney. Andrews argues that no probable cause existed to support the issuance of the first warrant. And he argues that the second warrant was obtained based on evidence illegally seized during the execution of the first warrant. He does not directly attack the issuance of the second warrant, but raises a “fruit of the poisonous tree” argument. {¶98} This court’s review of a suppression ruling involves mixed questions of law and fact.33 We must accept the trial court’s finding of facts if they are supported by competent, credible evidence. But we determine de novo, without deference to the trial court, whether the facts satisfy the applicable legal standard.34 {¶99} When determining whether probable cause existed to support the issuance of a search warrant, this court must accord great deference to the issuing magistrate.35 Our duty is to ensure that the issuing magistrate had a substantial basis for concluding that probable cause existed.36 {¶100} Probable cause is established when an affidavit “contain[s] sufficient information to allow a magistrate to draw the conclusion that evidence is likely to be found at the place to be searched.”37 {¶101} Following our review of the record, we conclude that the first search warrant obtained by Detective Sweeney was clearly supported by probable cause. Sweeney had gone to great lengths to independently corroborate the information that he had obtained from Perverted Justice.38 Sweeney’s affidavit provided substantial evidence demonstrating that evidence was likely to be found at the place to be searched, including evidence linking Andrews to the screen name manofdarkneedsl951. {¶102} Sweeney’s affidavit stated that, during his conversation with rachel_west90, manofdarkneedsl951 had provided the telephone number 513-378-6608. A Hamilton County Sheriff’s detective contacted Cincinnati Bell and obtained information about the subscriber assigned to this telephone number. The subscriber was a Robert Andrews who resided at 3045 Werk Road in Cincinnati, Ohio. A high-speed Internet access was also assigned to the account. A check of the Hamilton County Auditor’s records revealed that the property on 3045 Werk Road was owned by Patricia Ann Andrews. {¶103} Sweeney’s affidavit further averred that manofdarkneedsl951 had stated that his email address was robnaq@yahoo.com. Information received from Yahoo revealed that the login name for this email address was robnaq. Yahoo’s information also established that the subscriber to this email account was J. Robert Andrews, and it provided an alternate email address of Andrews@sandg.com. The subscriber had provided Yahoo with the following information: the address 3045 Werk Road, Cincinnati Ohio, 45211, the telephone number 513-661-6146, the birth date March 24, 1951, and the business address 2662 Madison, Cincinnati, Ohio 45208. {¶104} The information provided by Yahoo additionally revealed two IP addresses that had been used by robnaq, 66-161-176-41 and 216-196-129-185. It was determined that the IP address 66-161-176-41 was obtained through Cincinnati Bell and was assigned to John R. Andrews at 3045 Werk Road, Cincinnati, Ohio 45211. The IP address 216-196-129-185 was also issued through Cincinnati Bell and was assigned to [the name of a law firm] at 2662 Madison Road, Cincinnati, Ohio, 45208. {¶105} Sweeney’s affidavit stated that detectives had confirmed that Andrews had been employed as a defense attorney at the named law firm, located at 2662 Madison Road, Cincinnati, Ohio 45208, and that Andrews resided at 3045 Werk Road, Cincinnati, Ohio 45211. The affidavit also contained a summary of, and various excerpts from, the conversations between manofdarkneedsl951 and rachel_west90. And Sweeney attached a copy of these conversations to his affidavit, along with the various information received from Cincinnati Bell and Yahoo. {¶106} These facts demonstrated that the issuing judge had a substantial basis for determining that there was probable cause to issue a search warrant. The affidavit sufficiently corroborated information linking Andrews to the screen name manofdarkneedsl951, and it clearly supported the conclusion that a crime had been committed and that the place to be searched would contain evidence of such crime. {¶107} And even if Sweeney’s affidavit had been lacking in probable cause, the good-faith exception to the exclusionary rule would not have barred the evidence seized. The good-faith exception was recognized by the United States Supreme Court in United States v. Leon.39 {¶108} In Leon, the Court acknowledged that the exclusionary rule operates as a deterrent to safeguard the Fourth Amendment rights prohibiting unlawful searches and seizures and to deter police from violating these rights.40 But the Court recognized that, when the police have acted in good faith, exclusion of evidence does not serve as a deterrent. Accordingly, the Court determined that “[t]he Fourth Amendment exclusionary rule should not be applied so as to bar the use * * * of evidence obtained by officers acting in reasonable reliance on a search warrant issued by a detached and neutral magistrate but ultimately found to be invalid.”41 {¶109} The good-faith exception to the exclusionary rule thus applies unless one of the following exceptions is present: (1) the magistrate or judge has been misled by false information that the affiant knew or should have known was false; (2) the issuing magistrate or judge has abandoned the judicial role; (3) the police have relied on a warrant based on an affidavit so lacking indicia of probable cause that no official could reasonably believe in its existence; and (4) the warrant is so facially deficient that the officers executing it cannot reasonably presume that it is valid.”42 {¶110} In this case, the record clearly demonstrates that the law enforcement officers involved had acted in good faith. The record further demonstrates that the issuing judge had not been misled by false information and had not abandoned the judicial role. Moreover, given our conclusion that Detective Sweeney’s affidavit was amply supported by probable cause, we cannot conclude that no officer would reasonably have relied on the affidavit or that the warrant was facially deficient.
{¶111} Consequently, had we not determined that the search warrant was supported by probable cause, the good-faith exception would have applied to prevent exclusion of the evidence. {¶112} Because we have determined that the first search warrant obtained by Detective Sweeney was supported by probable cause, we conclude that all evidence seized during its execution was obtained lawfully. Thus, evidence seized during the execution of the second warrant was not “fruit of the poisonous tree” and was properly held admissible. {¶113} The trial court did not err in denying Andrews’ motion to suppress. The second assignment of error is overruled, and the judgment of the trial court is, therefore, affirmed. Judgment affirmed. PAINTER, P.J., and CUNNINGHAM, J., concur. Please Note: The court has recorded its own entry on the date of the release of this opinion.

Yep. That's right folks. The appeal was denied, the conviction affirmed and CJs shining star went down in not a ball of flames but with a whimpering mew of defeat.

This weeks installment is dedicated in loving memory to Justice Bot.

Oh, those gamers!

2008-04-13T14:17:00.000-07:00

When members of Corrupted Justice.com are reduced to attacking Xavier Von Erck (and other PeeJ'rs) personally, which is pretty often since they need to distract from their lies about the organization, you'll frequently see references to people being 'a gamer.' I'm not sure, exactly, why this is an insult. Recent polls and surveys have indicated upwards of 70% of the American population playing video games of some sort. A high percentage of that plays games online. The video game industry is worth tens of billions of dollars. Essentially, the insult is, "you're a typical American in your gaming habits."

Sample quotes from Dodger, in particular:

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:17 am Post subject:

The fact that they now allow law enforcement involvement doesn't, in my opinion, make that fetid cesspool even slightly more "pride worthy". The whole premise of perverted-justice - A gang of anonymous, unaccountable, untrained civilians being strung along by a pathologically-lying unemployed community college drop-out computer gamer making themselves feel important by pretending to be cops - is nothing anyone should be proud of. In fact, even today, with their completely fabricated veneer of legitimacy, they should be ashamed of their participation in that vigilante group.

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject:

The fact that anyone would openly state such a thing is a perfect indication of just how far this hysteria has gone. Unfortunately, the hysteria is being DRIVEN by those who stand to gain the most from a terrified society. Xavier Von Erck and Del Harvey and the rest of that ilk would simply be more nameless unemployed computer gamer losers, cutters and drug addicts were it not for the hysteria. For television networks like MSNBC and their Dateline show it's even more obvious - It's strictly about the money.

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject:

In my opinion, there is no better example of total and complete selfishness and laziness. Rather than taking the time and necessary effort to exorcise their demons properly with professional help, they fall under the spell of a loud-mouthed computer gamer from Portland, believing that his granting them the power to ruin someone without consequence will make them "better".

There's amusement to be found in Scott Morrow calling anyone else a loudmouth, but I digress.

Also, from the main page of CJ.com:

For the first 2 of those years, the site owner and "Director of Operations", the shadowy unemployed 26-year-old computer gamer who insists on being called "Xavier Von Erck"

Perhaps we need to begin asking whether it is acceptable for unemployed twenty-something drop-out computer-gamer cyber-vigilantes or pretend-news entertainers to hand out death sentences

Recent news articles (see our "links" section) have determined that ownership and control of the site is held by a Phillip John Eide, an unemployed 26 year-old self-confessed computer gamer

Self-confessed!

A couple of years ago, CJ.net Administration wrote an article about Morrow's problems with anger. It's a disturbing read, as members of .Net found accounts from Morrow's adult daughter about the abuse she had faced when she was younger. Morrow's daughter remains an open book online (not a criticism of her), and we found that, well, her amount of gaming puts Xavier Von Erck, Del Harvey, and others to shame.

I am not linking it at this time, though the link is always available for anyone with legitimate reasons for needing proof of what we write here. Before I write anything more, if anyone tracks down her blog and attempts to comment anything on it about CJ.com, her father, and so on, I will be disgusted with you. The purpose of this blog is to illustrate Scott Morrow's hypocrisy, and there is no criticism of his daughter to be found here. Nor should there be.

She is an extremely active gamer in the world of MMORPG's (Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games). In particular, she plays World of Warcraft, Everquest II and Vanguard. I'm sure that doesn't mean much to a lot of you, it didn't to me either until I did a fair bit of research, but unlike some video games that you can pick up and play for a bit and then drop again until you have some spare time... MMORPG's such as WOW and EQII take a fair bit of time commitment to be at all successful.

They also require knowledge of a different language, honestly:

Last night was a quiet night. My shaman reached level 10, which means she was sent back to her homeland of Azuremyst Isle, to do a quest for a fire totem. The quest itself was fun, but involved walking from one end of the continent to the other. Twice. Not so much fun. I suppose at low levels games don’t really have much for you to do except be involved in the length of time it takes you to travel from place to place. One thing world of warcraft has done wonderfully (even more so then Vanguard, but on a smaller scale I personally think) is make the world feel like an actual world. I lamented often over how EQ2 feels like zones. Lots of little zones all smushed together to make a world. You zone from one end of the city to the other, you take bells to get to areas, and yes the newest expansion does have some wide open areas, but you still have to zone to get to any of them. World of Warcraft and Vanguard attempt ’seamless’ zoning. Vanguard stutters a bit as you cross ‘chunks’ and isn’t exactly seamless, but they still do a wonderful job. World of warcraft still has zone lines as you cross continents, but the realms aside from that (and instances of course) are pretty smooth. In an mmo that is one huge factor that draws me in.

Also:

I’d love to say I’ve finally settled down with one character, or even two character. Those who know me, know better though. I’ve constantly got alts on the go. I think the only game where I didn’t have a plethora of alts, was Vanguard where I limited myself to three, and EQ1, where I also only had three (a rogue, enchanter, and cleric. Sitting at level 72 last I checked). So it really came as no surprise last night when I brought up making alts to Zokor and Gozad.

Also:

Surprisingly enough Mayadhros from Vanguard came to say hello in World of Warcraft! It was a pleasant surprise when he joined the guild as his 25 rogue Skeletorn (yes, before you even ask, he is Forsaken). Since Gozad, Zokor, Skeletorn, and myself were all around last night we decided to do a full run of Shadowfang keep, which went off pretty well (aside from one mishap where Gozad’s pet decided to run ramped and train everyone — everyone except me) and everyone walked away with some experience, quest updates, and new gear. We had a lot of blues drop which was nice to see, and everyone got a level or two (even with reduced experience as I was there with my level 33). As people gain more levels that gap between experience will lesson, and I’m looking forward to it. If there’s anyone else out there who wants to join the (very small) group, please feel free! It’s never too late.

She also writes stories as her characters:

The high elf glanced around the sparsely decorated Inn room located in the Willow Wood and shrugged. It wasn’t home, but then again these days what was. She’d unpacked her few possessions which consisted mostly of her instruments, and settled in for the night. A wandering minstrel traveling across Norrath, she wasn’t about to complain, she’d seen worse.

As well, she has a personal blog where she stated that, as someone who's unemployed and being supported by her husband, she spends a lot of time playing these games and probably needed to cut back a bit. Though with several new blogs about games since that point, including ones quoted here, she still spends a significant amount of time doing so. (My opinion on this is good for her, if it works for her, I'm glad she enjoys her life).

Yesterday was absolutely beautiful out, with today promising more of the same. It was +10c and that’s just wonderful. We still have far too much snow, but there’s an end in sight at least. I headed down to my folks place with the other half, to do a little visiting since they’d recently gotten back from their cruise. Of course Mom had trinkets for me, a beautiful sea shell necklace and a cute little box for putting jewelery in. The other half got a collection of hot sauces, that we’ll probably put to good use later this week. It was a great visit, we chattered and had lunch (I brought those fresh buns from the small lisbon bakery around the corner from my place) played some wii while Mom showed off her new computer (parts had just arrived on Friday). She plays Unreal Tournament, and needed a better rig to play UR3 or something. I’m not really familiar with the game or up to date on the terminology.

I wonder if she brought the Wii there or does the Morrow household GASP SPUTTER own a video game console? Meanwhile, Scott's wife plays Unreal Tournament 3? She had to upgrade her computer for the purpose of playing videogames? Further, UT3, from the reviews I've read, is a first person shooter. The kind of game that comes under a lot of criticism frequently from people who are against video games. Further, some quotes from UT3 reviews:

But the skill required to compete with most UT players online has perhaps hindered the series' mass market appeal. It has always been somewhat of a hardcore FPS.

Also:

With its variety of modes and its occasionally crazy high-speed action, UT3 still feels very different than the typical first-person shooter coming out these days.

In other words, it's a game that takes some skill and isn't for the first-time gamer.

Morrow spends far too much time insulting Von Erck and other PeeJ members for things that his closest family members do (and in at least his daughter's case, do more than most PeeJ'rs). If he has an honest problem with video gaming (especially considering how extreme he's revealed his hatred of them to be), and it's not his typical online bluster, he is apparently taking out his real life frustrations on people he only knows of online. That's rather pathetic, Scott. Get a grip. And some counselling.

Corrupted Justice and "Bust Interception" Part IV

2008-04-13T09:15:00.000-07:00

This installment features a Momma's Boy, Ken Hanna aka goodguyportsmouthva

Hanna originally chatted with PJ Contributor "Lucky" in October 2004, he was convicted in January of 2006.

What kind of man is Ken Hanna? He was an Information Systems Technician First Class for the Navy. He is a father of two young children. He's a man, who at the age of 33 years old, got on webcam with who he believed to be a 13 year old girl and stripped down. He also collected Child Pornography, as discovered once military investigators searched his mother's home where he lived.

Ken Hanna and his mother would go on to attempt to claim it was HIS YOUNG SON who'd downloaded the child pornography. But I'm jumping the gun, let's review CJ and their thankfully inept attempts to assist Ken Hanna in beating the 'mean old PJ Bullies' who busted him.

It should come as no surprise that just a day after being posted trex132 attempted his contact with Ken in the form of his standard email.

Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:15:39 +0200
From: Jeff W
Reply-To: Jeff W
To: goodguyportsmouthva@yahoo.com
Subject: Ken, I am Here To Help you

PJ Buster is next in line, but he's simply worried that trex forgot to switch their super secret YIM name from here_to_help to cj_cyber_assistant.

Trex responds with concerns that since PJ knows about cj_cyber_assistant maybe it's time for yet another super secret bust interception YIM name.

Ah, but then we have Dodger. Dodger chatted with Ken via their CJ chat room, what he posted follows:

just_ken_ptown: hi there Dodger
bykerbouy: Hey Ken. 1 sec... I wanna clear the messages from the CJ chat room...
just_ken_ptown: ok
bykerbouy: Hi. Sorry about that... The messages entered in our chat room stay there for 96 hours... Dont want you to start getting harassed from what you post there. When were you busted by PJ?
just_ken_ptown: monday
just_ken_ptown: goodguy
bykerbouy: Did you get an e-mail from Jeff Woloson?
just_ken_ptown: the account it would have been sent to did not have an active mailbox
just_ken_ptown: probably got a bounceback on it
bykerbouy: Ok, is there an addy I can send it to that wont bounce? Its got some important info for you in it.
just_ken_ptown: dp1hanna@hotmail.com
bykerbouy: K, sec, Ill send it to you now. brb.
just_ken_ptown: ok
bykerbouy: Ok, check your mail.
just_ken_ptown: I will keep checking, sometimes it takes a few to get here
just_ken_ptown: did you cut and paste the address?
bykerbouy: Ok. Its got valuable advice - Also, have a look through the Dos and Donts section on our main page. There is LOTS of info.
bykerbouy: Yup, I did.
just_ken_ptown: already screwed that up, killed the yahoo account
bykerbouy: Thats ok... Just dont let ANY of them know about this Yahoo ID, or they will make chatting impossible.
just_ken_ptown: not even doing chat now
just_ken_ptown: my phone service stops next month, cannot use my phone at all
bykerbouy: No, I mean even chatting with US... I would STRONGLY recommend that from this point on, you log EVERYTHING. Every phone call, everything. Dates, times, etc. Write it ALL down.
bykerbouy: Do they have your landline #?
just_ken_ptown: no, not that I know of
bykerbouy: Ok, they will probably get it... They have access to cell records - They can get plenty of info from your cell if its registered in your name.
bykerbouy: Do you have caller-id on your cell?
just_ken_ptown: yes, all the call are coming up restricted
just_ken_ptown: I have had it off most of the day
bykerbouy: BLOCK the restricted numbers, if you can. (Youll have to check with your cel provider to see if this service is available)
bykerbouy: This will eliminate the majority of the calls.
just_ken_ptown: I am getting a new cell within the week with a new number
bykerbouy: Does your cel have voicemail?
just_ken_ptown: yes
bykerbouy: Does it give your name in the voicemail message?
just_ken_ptown: most people arent even leaving messages
just_ken_ptown: I think I should take my first name off of it
bykerbouy: It may be too late - You might want to change the name to a fake one... Throw them off the trail..
just_ken_ptown: ok
bykerbouy: If you are being threatened, I would STRONGLY advise you to go to the police.
bykerbouy: Its up to you, but these people are dangerous.
just_ken_ptown: no threats
just_ken_ptown: just the lose of the phone for now
bykerbouy: Are you aware of what info they have on you so far?
just_ken_ptown: just the pic, phone and city
bykerbouy: They dont have your name?
just_ken_ptown: think just first
just_ken_ptown: first and last
bykerbouy: Ok. Well, depending on your cell provider, they CAN get your name from your cell... If they have your first and last name, then theyll have everything - Your address, neighbors, etc. Are you aware if you have much info posted around the internet?
just_ken_ptown: and the picture displayed is at least 6 years old
just_ken_ptown: I dont think enough on the web
bykerbouy: Youll be surprised at what they can find... I cant get into the PJ FollowUp Forums (Im banned) so I cant see what theyve got on you, but Ill get one of our investigators to go in & see what they have.
just_ken_ptown: thank you
just_ken_ptown: I dont see any info coming up in the white pages
bykerbouy: It will likely take a while... If you add me to your Friends list, you can PM me tomorrow evening & I should be able to let you know what all they have on you so far. No matter what, do NOT talk to them for ANY reason. If you do, they WILL use everything you say against you.
bykerbouy: Trust me - They use MUCH more than white pages. They will do an Intellius search and find virtually everything about you.
just_ken_ptown: what can they do legally?
bykerbouy: They can and will track down your place of employment to try to get you fired. They may contact your neighbors, family members, etc. to notify them. They have gone so far as to post fliers in the neighborhood.
just_ken_ptown: great, I am military and a single parent
bykerbouy: Well, being military MIGHT help - They have un-written rules about not harrassing military personel too much... (Apparently there are some pretty strict laws about terrorising military personnel)
just_ken_ptown: I just wish I wasnt so curious
bykerbouy: Did you talk about your job in your chat with the PJ baiter?
just_ken_ptown: just that I was navy
bykerbouy: And they know what city youre in... They have LOTS of info on you by now... I wish I could get into PJ to see what theyve posted so far on you... It will have to wait tho. Chances are good they have your name, address, home phone, and your base...
just_ken_ptown: I am trying to decide whether to tell my mother (she lives with me)
bykerbouy: Hold off for now... Till I can get some more info for you. You may want to turn un caller blocking on your home phone tho...
just_ken_ptown: we do screen, no name, no answer
just_ken_ptown: god I was stupid, nothing made sense and I kept going
bykerbouy: Good... Some of them may still try to call without blocking their number and will get through. If you get ANY threats or harrassment on your home phone, DO NOT REPLY, hang up, and press * 5 7. This will enter a trace in the phone company computer. It can be used by the police to track down any callers.
just_ken_ptown: ok
just_ken_ptown: but I would have to tell my mom why she is doing it
bykerbouy: Believe me, youre not alone. Youre one of about 800 + people who have fallen into their trap... Tell your Mom that you might get harassed by a gang of internet hackers. That they are making accusations that arent true because you got into a fight with one of them on the net.
just_ken_ptown: and if they come to the house?
bykerbouy: They wont. These people are cowards. They HAVE posted fliers in some neighborhoods, but they have a policy against actually showing up at someones door.
just_ken_ptown: ok
just_ken_ptown: flyers would be damaging enough
bykerbouy: If you dont mind my asking, how old are you?
just_ken_ptown: 33
bykerbouy: Ok... Well, if its any consolation, sometimes they do the fliers, but most times they dont.
just_ken_ptown: thanks
just_ken_ptown: I just do not know why things went sexual
just_ken_ptown: never done anything like that before
bykerbouy: Ok, I am going to let you go for now. Ill do my best to find out what info they have on you. In the meantime, stay calm and stay away from them. You may want to keep the option of getting a lawyer open... A lawyer can file a TRO (Temporary Restraining Order) in court to try to get them to take down the info. So far, its only been tried once, and wasnt suvccessful because it was done in state court.
bykerbouy: If you DO get any real threats, CONTACT THE POLICE.
just_ken_ptown: ok
bykerbouy: Ill be on again tomorrow evening. PM me, even if I appear to be offline. Hopefully Ill have more info for you by then, ok?
just_ken_ptown: ok
just_ken_ptown: one last question, can the police do anything at this time?
bykerbouy: Against you, you mean?
just_ken_ptown: yes
bykerbouy: Its hard to say. In the vast majority of cases, PJ never goes to the police. Depending on what state you are in, there are some states with laws against chatting sexually with who you THOUGHT was a minor. (Doesnt have to be a minor - You only had to BELIEVE it was a minor) - There are other states where there is no such law. It also depends on how graphic your chat was, and whether you showed a real intention of meeting...
just_ken_ptown: ok
bykerbouy: Ok. Ill do my best to get you some more info. In the meantime, stay calm, log EVERYTHING in a notebook, and Ill chat you again tomorrow evening, ok?
just_ken_ptown: thanks Scott, I will do my best
just_ken_ptown: later
bykerbouy: Ok. Try to get some sleep. Ill TTYL...

Good old Dodger, full of his usual bluster and 1/2 truths.

Trex posts again, worried that there are inconsistencies in what Ken stated in the chat and what he believes to be true, specifically:

How do you know he is goodguyportsmouthva?

The email I sent never bounced back to me at all. Also, his cell phone message had BOTH first and last names, not just first, as he seems to have said in chat.

Also, the Yahoo acct he said he killed is still up, including his profile. I just checked on Wed at 6:54am EDT.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/goodguyportsmouthva

Stef, bless her deluded soul, has this to contribute:

I just checked and Jeffs right, all his info including a link to a private webpage is still up! In fact the webpage link is about his family! I think he must be a troll.

The one thing that bothers me is the fact you told him to tell his mom something that wasnt true. I dont talk to busts, so I dont have to get caught in a situation where I have to think fast and come up with an answer. I can imagine if this guy was really a bust and his mom started getting crank calls and people called him a pedo, what would she think IF he told her what you said to tell her? I would be so very pissed.

Anyways just my unsolicited .02

Yeah, Dodger, didn't you know you should never tell someone to lie to their Mommy?

PJ Buster, never one to be left out, throws his .02 in next:

Hey Dodger,

How did you confirm just_ken_ptown was the same as the bust in the chat-log renee_new_kid_in_town. Yes his name was Ken, and that probably triggered your recognition within the new ID.

The email address that just_ken_ptown gave: dp1hanna@hotmail.com... did you resend trexs template there? Put your own return contact address at the bottom? We dont want to give potential fakes trexs contact info.

If it was a phony, as it looks like, your statement Tell your Mom that you might get harassed by a gang of internet hackers. That they are making accusations that arent true because you got into a fight with one of them on the net goes against Dos&Donts #8:
Quote:
8. If and when they contact family, neighbors, friends, or employers, take legal action, and be honest- humans make mistakes and this was an unfortunate mistake. Do not allow this situation to ruin your life or destroy your self esteem. Perverted-Justice.com wants to cause you pain and humiliation (they thrive on knowing they are hurting others).

While I agree that PJ makes accusations that arent true e.g. calling one a pedophile when that is not legally the case), your advice will be twisted to appear that you advise lying to mom.

I tried viewing http://profiles.yahoo.com/goodguyportsmouthva earlier and got a Sorry, but the profile you are looking for is not currently available as I did right now. But in-between after I saw chris post it appeared. Flaky. I do a refresh and it comes up.
Member Since: 11/12/2001
Last Updated: 09/26/2004

I think its curious that he addressed you as just_ken_ptown: hi there Dodger like he knew you were bykerbouy. Strange he would know that.

Weve all been fooled at one time or another - by trolls, fake busts, moles.

We need to be super careful.

He forgot SUPER SECRET CAREFULZ!

Dodger responds:

Ok, first off, I was chatting with him in the CJ Chat Room first - Thats how he knew I was Dodger - I asked him to come to Yahoo.

I originally suggested that he hold off on telling his Mom, then he asked about what to do if she started receiving harrassing calls on his home phone. I didnt want to suggest that he go running to her with the fact that he was chatting minors... The Got in a fight with some hackers thing was all I could come up with on short notice... Looking back, I could have come up with something better than that I guess...

Im not convinced hes a troll, but just the same, I didnt tell him anything I wouldnt want a troll to see. (The Mom thing was iffy... But the best I could come up with at the time...)

I havent actually seen the FuF - Thats why I was hoping someone would go get it so I could do a little more verification. Does anyone know exactly what they have on him?

To tell the truth, Id rather not be dealing with him at all, because Im not really good enough at it. He sorta caught me off guard by showing up in the CJ Chat Room. I thought he was just another member, till he starts talking a bit about being busted. Thats when I suggested we go to Yahoo and I immediately cleaned the room of previous messages.

Trex, Id feel alot better if you contacted him and did your normal stuff. Youre much better at it than me...

Scott

Trex throws his bit in:

I have contacted him, Scott. I left him a voicemail, explaining our site and giving the web addy, as well as emailing him with that info to the Yahoo acct which is STILL up and running. Not much more that I can do.

Of note: Ken's Mommy became quite involved in the drama, joining both CJ and AVSO. With the help of CJ and AVSO Ken and his Mommy, Becki, tried very hard to harass and smear the name of the Contributor who'd busted Ken.

KM4L2:

How is it PJ contributor Lucky can be so unlucky as to perjure herself on the witness stand? What does that say about who PJ calls contributors? Lucky testified in goodguyportsmouthva's trial, but perjured herself during her testimony.

It's relevant at this point to note that Perverted Justice itself is quite sympathetic to the plight of loved ones who find out their husband/son/father/brother is an online predator, going so far as to dedicate a page to helping family members who go to PJ to read the chatlogs for themselves. In the normal course of events Ken Hanna's Mommy wouldn't be ridiculed by anyone. However Ms. Hendrickson elevated herself to mock-worthy status by me with her quite disturbingly looney claims, such as:

After reading the sentences of some of the busts I wonder why law enforcement wasted tax payers money on cases they could not win because of peej. The plea bargains speak for themselves that peej is not working to remove pedeo's from the internet.

When a contributor gives a deposition and purgers themself in it. Law enforcement has no option but to plea the bust done to nothing.

and:

A COMPUTER FORENSIC EXPERT, SPECIALIST.. checked a mirror image of Lucky at pj's hard drive and found that it had been scrubed before it was turned over to LE. Then Lucky at pj informed LE that her computer had crashed and had to be re-loaded.. She then tells LE that the only true copy is on pj's server..

THAT IS WHY PJ DOES NOT WORK WITH LE AND WHEN THEY DO THEY DRAG THIER TAIL TILL THEY COVER THEIR TRACKS BELIEVING LE WILL BELIEVE THEM..

In the mean time the busts are forced to plead out to a lesser charge under threats by LE so they don't have to use the hard drives produced by pjers..

PJ Buster, ever the attention seeking, had this words of wisdom to impart:

Lucky doing a little cover-up dance... purgering him/her-self within the domain of legal definition. I'd say there's trouble a-brewin'.

My guess is that there are things going on in the real world that is more than meets the eye. Keep tuned.

Becki tries once more to smear PJ and Lucky:

Anything to do with PJ was thrown out. Remember the scrubbed HD belonging to Lucky that she sent to LE.

There is a bit of talk going around in certain circles that possibly PJer's are putting the cp on others computers.

There is also a group of people working to change the law that will make chat logs illegal to use in court cases. The thought is no one knows what is said in chat room before going into pm. When I find out the site for that group will let everyone know it.

Also there is a new Law, it states to have cp the child has to be found and verified. Any photo that has been altered in any way is not a real child so is not cp. I'll have to ask the family for the Law referrence number.

The family also asked me to thank everyone who talked to the defense team and told and proved to them the truth about PJ. Without their help the truth would never had been know. The pjer's destroyed their own credibility thru their own postings. They told the truth about theirselves thru those postings. Good work x, congradulations for a job well done. Only you and your followers could prove to everyone what you really are all about.

Also the family wanted to thank everyone who prayed that the truth would come out and that the courts would see the truth. Since x is an athiest he had no higher power on his side.

This trial has been a major blow to pj. They can't tell the truth about it or the public who visit the site would know the truth about pj.

Let me refresh your memory, this was a man found with over 500 images of child pornography and convicted for his chats with Lucky. Yet Mommy Dearest insists on crowing over the supposed WIN FOR THEIR TEAM! A mother, and grandmother, who would argue that child porn is okay as long as it's been photoshopped and cast the blame for its existence at the feet of her young grandson to save her son.

Dodger would go on to try to minimize the child pornography conviction that came prior to the chat log related conviction, with the following idiocy:

Instead, he's convicted of the fairly minor (by comparison) offense of having child porn on his computer

Nevermind that they swore he didn't download it, nevermind that his Mommy swore the pictures were legal, now Dodger tries to minimize the conviction of MORE THAN FIVE HUNDRED IMAGES OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY in his quest to make PJ look bad. Fuck off, Dodger.

Becki, whilst her son sits rotting in the Brig, continues her wild accusations:

His family was warned by Defense to be very careful as pjer's or .nutters may try to put cp on other family members computers.

The prosecutors and Defense computer forensics experts could not prove how the cp got on the computer as the computer was full of viruses and a Trojan horse. The dates made no sense.

Everything on a computer is assigned a date. The dates that came up made no sense and that was findings of 2 totally different experts.

This little gem:

The man could have pleaded out but knew he did not download the cp and fought it thru the court. He put his TRUST IN GOD AND IN THE COURT.

I put my trust in the court system to, it's nice to see the trust was justified, and he was convicted.

Now for the really disgusting part, chat excerpts. You've seen how CJ rushed to help Ken, you've seen his Mommy spew her crap, now let's take a look at just what kind of monster they did this for. Remember, Ken Hanna is a father, a boy and a girl.

goodguyportsmouthva (5:11:54 PM): 33/m/portsmouth
renee_new_kid_in_town (5:12:23 PM): 13/f/va beach
goodguyportsmouthva (5:12:28 PM): wow
goodguyportsmouthva (5:12:38 PM): cute too ?

goodguyportsmouthva (5:30:34 PM): what time do you usually go to sleep?
renee_new_kid_in_town (5:31:20 PM): about 11
goodguyportsmouthva (5:32:50 PM): dang
goodguyportsmouthva (5:32:54 PM): lol
renee_new_kid_in_town (5:33:54 PM): whut?
goodguyportsmouthva (5:34:33 PM): so late
goodguyportsmouthva (5:34:38 PM): just have to come tuck you in

goodguyportsmouthva (5:42:51 PM): have you been bad?
renee_new_kid_in_town (5:43:14 PM): litle, i guess
goodguyportsmouthva (5:43:19 PM): how so ?
renee_new_kid_in_town (5:43:45 PM): i made out and stuff with guys last
base we were on
goodguyportsmouthva (5:44:08 PM): [anyone take pictures?

goodguyportsmouthva (6:31:32 PM): you need a webcam
goodguyportsmouthva (6:31:34 PM): :P
renee_new_kid_in_town (6:31:35 PM): lol
renee_new_kid_in_town (6:31:36 PM): y
goodguyportsmouthva (6:31:42 PM): so I could watch you
goodguyportsmouthva (6:32:24 PM): dialup ?
renee_new_kid_in_town (6:32:45 PM): watch me what>?
renee_new_kid_in_town (6:32:50 PM): dial up?
goodguyportsmouthva (6:33:01 PM): watch you slowly undress

renee_new_kid_in_town (7:24:42 PM): i have my jammies on
goodguyportsmouthva (7:24:45 PM): LOL
goodguyportsmouthva (7:24:50 PM): wish you had a cam

He attempted meets with "Renee" not once, but twice during the course of their conversations. He showed her his penis on webcam, that in and of itself a felony, he frequently asked to see the CHILD on webcam, preferrably naked, but, you know, that OTHER Kiddie Porn SO wasn't his fault, right? Their conversation involved spankings and licking and Ken sticking his tongue inside a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD. Oh, and the fact that his children lived with him. And that he wanted to "keep your nice wet panties". Father of the year, surely.

Thank you, Lucky, for catching this loser.

Next week we'll revisit one of the most painful convictions for CJ, the man they pinned their hopes on for quite a while. Their "shining star", their "sure thing". How they crowed and gloried in how it would be his case to bring about the demise of PJ, how it would be this man that brought PJ to their knees. Even after his conviction they claimed it was all just part of a bigger plan, a strategic move on the part of the predator, and how his appeal would be the final undoing of PJ!

Yawn.

Corrupted Justice and "Bust Interception" Part III

2008-04-06T09:44:00.000-07:00

This week we'll be reviewing the attempts by those at dot com to aid former Specialist Eric Granados aka gmoney301981

gmoney was Perverted Justice's 11th conviction, and sentencing included 42 months in prison, a drop in rank from E-5 to E-1, forfeit all pay and allowances, bad conduct discharge and registration as a sexual offender upon release.

gmoney was a 22 year old military man who used the internet to pursue who he thought was a 12 year old girl for sex. From the contributor:

He made the 4 hour drive to meet with what he believed to be a 12 year old girl. He told her where to sign up for pornography. He explained to her how to masturbate.

Now let's see what the fine folks at dot com tried to do to help gmoney "fight back against those evil vigilantes!"

11/14/04 Trex132, ever predictable, sends off his

I am a volunteer with CJ......helping people being attacked by vigilantes on the internet

email. His instant messages, which went unreturned, included:

We at www.corrupted-justice.com have helped many people like you--people entrapped by this vicious organization. Please let us help you, too. Good luck and I will call again later on today.

He also attempted to call gmoney on the phone, using the number posted with his chatlogs on PJ.

Both Trex and PJ Buster make statements pertaining to their having read the chatlogs: Trex132

After reviewing the chat log on PJ

and PJ Buster:

according to the preamble and presumably chat contents

There was some discussion about not making further contact with the bust, unless he responded and then, according to PJ Buster:

If he elects to employ an attorney then we may again be in a position to furnish information on PJ.

Trex132 however, changes his mind and tries again to contact him, clearly becoming upset that his advances are being rebuffed.

Interestingly, this is where CJ Black Widow enters into the fray, with:

I have saved a copy of a chat that Brandilee at PJ had with him if you are interested.

Apparently she hadn't gotten the memo that "no chatlog will ever stand up in court!!!!" CJBW has been the queen of hypocrisy from the very beginning it would seem.

Here we have CJ defending a 22 year olds right to "roleplay" (their take on the chat logs) with a child, even when faced with a mountain of evidence including encrypted .dat files. Yet CJBW thinks that her copy/paste of a post containing the text copy/paste from another person is damning evidence of evil vigilantism? Riiight.

PJ Buster would later receive an email from a Texas IP and an email address containing the busts last name, supposedly from the mother of the bust, but panics and fears it may just be an attempt at OMGZORZ obtaining his IP! Former members kissme4luck2 and Trex132 join in worrying that it didn't come from the bust himself.

From the chatlog:

gmoney301981 (3:51:43 PM): OK
gmoney301981 (3:51:49 PM): DO THIS
gmoney301981 (3:51:57 PM): ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW
phair_play (3:52:11 PM): if u want
gmoney301981 (3:53:05 PM): OK YOUR MIDDLE FINGER DOWN THERE INSIDE AND SWIRL IT AROUND AND RUB YOUR TITS
gmoney301981 (3:53:09 PM): DO IT
gmoney301981 (3:53:30 PM): IT WILL TAKE SOMETIME BUT, IT WORKS
gmoney301981 (3:53:38 PM): HOWS IT GOING
phair_play (3:53:45 PM): lol i feel silly
gmoney301981 (3:54:00 PM): COME ON YOU GOT TO THINK NASTY
gmoney301981 (3:54:07 PM): AND MAKE IT FEEL GOOD
gmoney301981 (3:54:36 PM): U CAN MAKE NOISES TOO LIKE AWWWW, OOHH YES BABY FUCK MME AND SO ON

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the type of scum that CJ has rushed to help. Lucky for the rest of the world, PJ is far more effective and this man was brought to justice.

Jay Berg a.k.a. "Protector of Children" /sarcasm

2008-04-03T12:02:00.000-07:00

Jay Berg (Pedophile) posts this bit of wonder. Lean back and give a big sigh of relief that he points out that pedophiles (like himself) are not the real problem.

Jay Berg - Oh yes, the children, gotsta protect the children, oh, in so much danger!
Let's stop helping PJ/Dateline and the other nuts. Their agenda is to focus exclusively on one aspect of child danger. And the studies show the danger is extremely small, compared to other dangers.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/04/03/infant.neglect.ap/index.html
Study: 1 in 50 U.S. babies abused, neglected annually

About 1 in 50 U.S. infants are victims of nonfatal child abuse or neglect in a year, according to the first national study of the problem in that age group.

The study focused on children younger than 1 year, and found nearly a third of those who had been abused or neglected were one week old or younger when the abuse or neglect occurred.

"It is a particularly vulnerable group," said study co-author Rebecca Leeb, of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"We were struck by the fact there was a clustering of maltreatment with the very, very early age group."

The researchers counted more than 91,000 infant victims of abuse and neglect in the period October 1, 2005 to September 30, 2006.

The information came from a national database of cases verified by protective services agencies in 45 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico.

Other studies have looked at national child abuse and neglect cases, but this is believed to be the first to focus on infants, said Leeb, a CDC epidemiologist.

About 30,000 of the cases involved infants aged one week or younger. About 68 percent of those cases were attributed to neglect.

Federal officials define neglect as a failure to meet a child's basic needs including housing, clothing, feeding and access to medical care. But the counted cases did not include new parents stumbling their way through breast-feeding or making other rookie mistakes.

"Things like abandonment and newborn drug addiction would qualify as neglect, not things like parents learning how to be parents," Leeb said.

Medical professionals identified about 65 percent of the maltreated newborns to protective services staff. The others came from law enforcement, relatives, friends, neighbors and from protective services staff.

The results mirror what a study in Canada found, Leeb said.

The CDC collaborated on the study with the federal Administration for Children and Families.

Jay Berg - So what have you done to help children stay safe? Have you looked at your own family? Have you looked at neighbors? Have you gone out of your way to help new parents learn how to deal with children?

One in 50 infants. And that does not address the abuse of children above the age of infancy. How bad is the "abuse" problem? Is it only the problem addressed by Hanson the Cookie Monstor?

Other great posts to read:
Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski - People are killed by more bombs in wars than by me.
Charles Manson - More people are murdered by their families more than mine.
Susan Smith - Andrea Yates killed more of her kids than I did.

Yes Jay tries to point to other issues so that people will forget that he keeps candy in his pockets for a reason.

Zman gives me enough laughs for a week

2008-04-02T14:11:00.000-07:00

Zman, on top of being a pathetic man with a thousand lies and excuses for being a registered sex offender, is a giant toolbox. Normally such people are just really disgusting, but Zman at least gives back to the world by being so pathetically stupid that he's often quite amusing. Here's the best example I've yet seen:

ZMan
True conversationalist

Joined: 27 May 2007
Posts: 180

PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:20 pm
Post subject: KY - Nashville Man Pleads Guilty in Bowling Green Child Sex

So I guess PeeJ needs to add themselves to the CorporateSexOffenders list... Karma sure is a bitch isn't it?

-http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/17187656.html

A Nashville man pleads guilty to driving to Bowling Green to meet a minor for sex.

The Department of Justice reports that 37-year-old Lorne Lynn Armstrong admitted that from September to October 2007, he chatted on-line with with a person he believed to be a 13-year-old girl.

The person was actually a member of Perverted Justice, who was taking part in a Kentucky Bureau of Investigation sting exposing on-line sexual predators.

Armstrong is scheduled to be sentenced June 30 in Bowling Green.

Yes, folks, he thought Lorne Armstrong was a volunteer with Perverted Justice who was caught in a Kentucky sting. Nevermind that he lacks basic reading comprehension since it's clearly written to be the 13 year old that's the member of Perverted Justice... he actually jumps to the conclusion that during a child predator sting, the PeeJ member would be the predator. Yeah, that's the logical conclusion.

It's just too stupid for words. Too stupid even for CJ members who aren't exactly Mensa candidates. Take, for example, the replies of SupremeJustice and KarenCunning:

SupremeJustice:

What the heck are you talking about? scratch

Zman replies, still not getting it:

Well, their Corporate Sex Offenders web site says:

Quote:
Working to reform companies that allow pedophiles on their services

And they raised hell when a member of SOhopeful was busted for child porn, thus causing SOhopeful to be shut down, and they claim any company that allows pedophiles on their web site is a pro-pedophile organization, so will they be calling themselves a pro-pedophile organization?

And then even KarenCunning, who is as retarded as a person can be without forgetting to breathe, replies:

Zman;

Do you think the article says "THE PERSON WAS ACTUALLY A MEMBER OF PERVERTED JUSTICE" and means the person arrested and not the 13 year old?

I think you're reading the article incorrectly.

Karen queen

When she gets it and you don't, that means you're really, really unintelligent.

Please also note his excitement over someone being caught in a sex sting. When a real child predator is caught, it's bad. When he thinks a PeeJ member is caught by the tactics he hates, it's time for celebration. Not only are you vile, you lack even basic consistency and principles.

And thanks for posting about a PeeJ conviction. Those are always nice to see highlighted at CJ.com.

Scott Morrow - blame all but the predators

2008-04-02T10:22:00.000-07:00

Once again Scott supports his pedophile friends by stating that internet predators really aren't as big a problem as PJ makes it to be (by catching, exposing, having arrested and convicted on pretty much a monthly basis).

http://www.corrupted-justice.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8174

I raised 3 kids... All 3 are intelligent, thoughtful and reasonable.

As proven by a couple of them "getting the hell out" as soon as they can.

The spectre of hordes of Internet predators advancing in a wave across the Internet picking off children like mosquitoes in a bug zapper is an image that has been propagated by groups like PJ for their own self-promotion and profit. It's just silly, and going to extremes to "protect" our loved ones against what is clearly an overblown and insanely exaggerated threat risk is simply falling for their foolishness.

Scott Morrow is right.. It's "silly". Guys on the net trolling for children. That rarely happens. The guys PJ and LE catch are not really bad. The ones who ensnare children, and rape them... Bah! The kids just allow themselves to be molested and raped. The kids did it to make the problem look worse than it actually is, some of them actually allow themselves to be killed, just to make this "issue" look like a problem.

Are there risks out there? Sure there are - But any reasonable caring parent can fully protect their kids by simply doing the common-sense stuff that ALL reasonable, caring parents should be doing anyway...

(Sarcasm turned off here) Yes Scott. We agree with that. There is no doubt that "reasonable, caring parents" should be doing. However not all kids have that type of parents (i.e., your own). But even if a kid has the right kind of parents, they were born with "minds of their own" and have been known to sneak out and use other computers. This doesn't mean it's a bad kid, or bad parents. It's life. You do what you can, but you can't blame the kids when they fall under the snare of people like Jay Berg, Derek Logue, and the one and only Zman.

Involve yourself in your kid's lives, talk to them about the wierdos, keep a reasonable eye on their activities, raise them to be thoughtful and intelligent and provide them with good examples of reasonable, caring people to grow up around.

Again works well in most of the cases where the parents are caring and the kids use common sense. However what about those who don't? Oh yeah I forget, to you and PJ Buster they are "slutty sluts" who deserve what they get.

All of the software locks and logs and monitors and claptrap are simply technological methods of avoiding the responsibility of being a parent. If you are doing your job as a parent, you shouldn't be relying on software to protect your kids and keep them safe. That's YOUR job - You protect them by teaching them and trusting them and loving them, not logging and locking and spying on them.

Also turning in pedophiles that hang out at your "house" is a good start. Try it sometime.

Corrupted Justice keeps spitting into the wind

2008-04-01T08:18:00.000-07:00

Long time readers of the CJ.com cesspool will know that the members there love to jump up and down like hyperactive children at the mere thought of anyone being found not guilty based on an arrest from the work Perverted Justice does. It should come as no surprise then that they immediately started unscrewing the tops of their champagne bottles when the case against Morgan Stickney III was dropped due to jurisdictional issues. They immediately touted this as a win against Perverted Justice and celebrated with more of their delusional dreaming.

No one was more surprised than we here however at the deafening silence emanating from the cesspool when Morgan Stickney III was recently convicted and sentenced on those same charges.

Posted by the mother of a pedophile, Julie Cison
I just got off the phone with Sandra Bloomenthal. Morgan Stickney's case was dropped. I believe this is the first time a case involving an accusation by PJ has been dropped, but somehow I don't think it will be the last, now that the door has been opened.

No charges will be pressed. The police and the DA seemed to say the evidence brought forth by PJ was not credible because PJ itself displays pornographic material on their own website : The Wankers Page.

Also and even more importantly, a New Hampshire law says the person caught chatting online must know that the person he was chatting with was indeed a child under 18. was in a Yahoo chatroom for 18 and over, and so Mr. Stickney assumed he was role playing with an adult. New Hampshire agrees with Mr. Stickney.

UPDATE

After further explanation, here is a correction of what happened today:

The prosecutor dropped all charges. Period.

It would appear that the state of New Hampshire actually DIDN'T agree.

A Campton man whose case was moved from Belknap to Grafton County due to jurisdictional questions has been convicted of attempting to solicit sex from a person he believed to be a minor using the Internet.

Grafton County Attorney Rick St. Hilaire confirmed that Morgan Stickney III, 36, of Cox Road in Campton was found guilty of prohibited use of a computer by a Grafton County jury.

The crime is a Class B felony, punishable by a maximum of 31⁄2-7 years in prison.

And then the almighty CJ Black Widow lets loose with more of her outstanding logical prowess.

Posted by CJBW
What's that Badger_fan aka Freddo Frog?

Quote:

Eh, she's just flappin her gums in the breeze to make a name for herself. She hasn't seen the evidence yet, if she had she wouldn't be talking. Just once I'd love to see one of these dumbfucks retract their idiotic comments after their scumsucking client is convicted.

Let me make this clear for you, you arrogant piece of work:

NO CONVICTION. NO PLEA.

Proceed to eat crow.

That crow tastes pretty damn sweet, lemme tell ya.
Let me make this clear for you, you ugly stupid hag:
CONVICTION. NO PLEA. BIG SENTENCE. SEX OFFENDER STATUS.

Looks like another addition to the Corrupted-Justice members list, after he's released from jail of course.

Let's look at some more of the idiocy spewed forth by the members of CJ.com on this case.

Posted by CJBW
No probable cause? You mean PJ had a case that was thrown out for LACK of evidence? Could this be?

Oooh, so close yet so wrong again CJBW.

Posted by Supreme Justice
Terrific

We need to contact Bloomenthal and fill in her blanks.

Get out the pom-poms

Get out your pom-poms girl, you've got another conviction to celebrate! Maybe if Bloomenthal had gotten one of your vaunted information packets she'd have been able to help her client. Or maybe she did and this is the end result. After all, we know that pedo-mama Julie Cison was in contact with her, maybe she WAS given the infamous CJ Information packet after all.

From a group that claims to not like pedophiles and claims to be all for the guilty getting punished, the silence from Corrupted Justice.com is deafening.

Scott Morrow, you are 269+ convictions late in shutting down your den of filth.

As the saying goes, you can judge people by the friends they keep.

2008-03-30T19:43:00.000-07:00

I recently re-published a blog written a year ago about CJ.com's defense of Aubrey Cottle, the owner of 420chan. Cottle and the other users of his site, who do little for the earth but waste its resources and oxygen, led illegal web-based attacks against Perverted-Justice.com. When Canadian authorities wouldn't do anything about it (and CJ.com should know a little something about authorities not bothering to do anything about web-based attacks as they've experienced the same thing), members of Perverted Justice handled it themselves with pretty good effectiveness. As addressed in the re-published blog, Morrow then had a hissyfit and proceeded to lie about what Cottle and 420chan had done.

The following story is about the actions of 420chan and Aubrey Cottle. This is what innocent teenagers do in their spare time.

Hackers Assault Epilepsy Patients via Computer
By Kevin Poulsen 03.28.08 | 8:00 PM

Internet griefers descended on an epilepsy support message board last weekend and used JavaScript code and flashing computer animation to trigger migraine headaches and seizures in some users.

The nonprofit Epilepsy Foundation, which runs the forum, briefly closed the site Sunday to purge the offending messages and to boost security.

"We are seeing people affected," says Ken Lowenberg, senior director of web and print publishing at the Epilepsy Foundation. "It's fortunately only a handful. It's possible that people are just not reporting yet -- people affected by it may not be coming back to the forum so fast."

The incident, possibly the first computer attack to inflict physical harm on the victims, began Saturday, March 22, when attackers used a script to post hundreds of messages embedded with flashing animated gifs.

The attackers turned to a more effective tactic on Sunday, injecting JavaScript into some posts that redirected users' browsers to a page with a more complex image designed to trigger seizures in both photosensitive and pattern-sensitive epileptics.

RyAnne Fultz, a 33-year-old woman who suffers from pattern-sensitive epilepsy, says she clicked on a forum post with a legitimate-sounding title on Sunday. Her browser window resized to fill her screen, which was then taken over by a pattern of squares rapidly flashing in different colors.

Fultz says she "locked up."

"I don't fall over and convulse, but it hurts," says Fultz, an IT worker in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. "I was on the phone when it happened, and I couldn't move and couldn't speak."

After about 10 seconds, Fultz's 11-year-old son came over and drew her gaze away from the computer, then killed the browser process, she says.

"Everyone who logged on, it affected to some extent, whether by causing headaches or seizures," says Browen Mead, a 24-year-old epilepsy patient in Maine who says she suffered a daylong migraine after examining several of the offending posts. She'd lingered too long on the pages trying to determine who was responsible.

Circumstantial evidence suggests the attack was the work of members of Anonymous, an informal collective of griefers best known for their recent war on the Church of Scientology. The first flurry of posts on the epilepsy forum referenced the site EBaumsWorld, which is much hated by Anonymous. And forum members claim they found a message board thread -- since deleted -- planning the attack at 7chan.org, a group stronghold.

Fultz says the attack spawned an uncommonly bad seizure. "It was a spike of pain in my head," she says. "And the lockup, that only happens with really bad ones. I don't think I've had a seizure like that in about a year."

But she's satisfied with the Epilepsy Foundation's relatively fast response to the attack, about 12 hours after it began on Easter weekend. "We all really appreciate them for giving us this forum and giving us this place to find each other," she says.

Epilepsy affects an estimated 50 million people worldwide, about 3 percent of whom are photosensitive, meaning flashing lights and colors can trigger seizures.

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/03/epilepsy

At the time of the article's publishing, the author hadn't figured out who was actually behind the attacks. It was not the same Anonymous that attacked Scientology, as a fairly quick perusal of 420chan's gore and drawn-KP filled forum will tell you (warning to fellow residents of Canada, since drawn KP is illegal and you'll get no warning as to when it might pop up on that site - yet authorities do nothing). In fact, you can currently just look at the unmoderated comments in response to the Wired blog. 420chan led the attack against people suffering from epilepsy. I could write a lot more, but that says it all.

I've read a lot of terrible things about the actions of some people on the internet, but relatively few things have been so blatantly and disgustingly sociopathic as this. This is the person who CJ.com defends as an innocent teenager.

From March 20th, 2008.

Kirtaner:
Also: If they start shit up with us again, I'll be right on the line with the folks at Corrupted Justice.

And they'll be quick to take that call, Aubrey. Sociopathic birds of a feather fly together.

Corrupted Justice and "Bust Interception" Part II

2008-03-29T07:08:00.000-07:00

This week let's look first at the man CJ aimed to help with their Bust Interception program, shall we? DavieWants2 aka Michael Coffey. Link to his chatlog. Link to his Conviction Write-up on PJ's mainpage.

Directly from Perverted Justices mainpage:

"Daviewants2" is easily one of the most disturbing chat-logs ever posted on Perverted-Justice.com. Long-time readers remember it being posted and then removed. The reason was speculated on but should have been obvious... police interest in the case asked us to take it down while they went after the man later known as Michael Coffey.

Of note, Michael Coffey, until his arrest held a position in the education field.
Excerpts from his chatlog follow, please be aware that graphic language is used:

SnapShotDeath [9:31 PM]: i just want u 2 like me
DavieWants2 [9:32 PM]: but i do boi, i sure do, and one day may be we can be invovled in some rape murder together boi
SnapShotDeath [9:33 PM]: how we do that
DavieWants2 [9:33 PM]: ill get us a fag boi who has no reel family and we can have some fun with him
SnapShotDeath [9:34 PM]: what we do?
DavieWants2 [9:36 PM]: well mutalate him but before we do well stick your cocks into him, we can even cut his nuts off and stick our cocks into him were his nuts use to be, i love the feweling of my cock with blodd on it and i reely love the feeling of my cock inside a boys body cavity that i cut open
SnapShotDeath [9:38 PM]: i never done that
DavieWants2 [9:38 PM]: well one day u will if i no u, YOUR a lot like me wheni was a boi
SnapShotDeath [9:38 PM]: i gotta go
DavieWants2 [9:39 PM]: k bye boi

I'd sign off too if I was being subjected to that degree of graphicness. My hat is off to Jay Alternative and all the other PJ Contributors who put up with these assholes so that real kids don't have to. Let's keep in mind, ladies and gentlemen, that is the man CJ rushed to help avoid prosecution. I've summarized the efforts of CJ for the most part, as they do a lot of copy and paste from their "manual" which I posted in the last installment.

9/25/04 Trex132 rushes to email his standard "David, I am Here to Help You" email.

9/27/04 PJ Buster posts his thoughts, in their oh-so-very-top-secret "Successes and Failures" forum. It's interesting to note the following excerpts from PJ Busters post:

the mistake trex made is he read the chat log. I made the analogy that bust-interceptors are an automatic response team. We are like the paramedics who arrive at a scene where someone needs immediate medical help. We can not pause and rub our chin, furrow our brows, and attempt to ascertain the guilt of the patient before administering first aid.

9/27/04 Trex132 reassures PJ Buster that:

I have no guilt about contacting DavieWants2, and slept fine last night. What I had was a moments pause when I read the chatlog, which I will not do again. This was the first chatlog I had read in months, because of the potential for influencing my work in Bust Interception. I will not do it again.

One of the most striking quotes comes from PJ Buster:

After all, no matter the true guilt...

Keep that quote in mind when reading the chatlog

DavieWants2 [1:31 PM]: i like to rape my bois for REAL
SnapShotDeath [1:31 PM]: i swear i do what u say
DavieWants2 [1:32 PM]: what if i tell YOU i want to put a rope around YOUR neck as i fuck YOu in YOUR sweet ass, and hear YOU beg not to die

NO MATTER THE TRUE GUILT. You, PJ Buster, are scum. Next weeks installment finds our dear sweet CJ Black Widow joining in the fray of trying to "save" the bust.

Matty the fucking pedophile

2008-03-25T23:30:00.000-07:00

Matty the fucking pedophile

Hi, I'm a privileged guest poster, and what I say may or may not reflect the views of the proprietors of this blog. There's my disclaimer.

Here's my opinion. Mind you, this is strictly the opinion of someone who has hunted pedophiles for more hours than most people sleep per day, for a long time.

I read that shit diaprlvr or whatever the fuck his name is wrote on news groups. I also know who he was stalking. He was NOT responsible for ANYONE's arrest.

Not only that, but his posts match his history, which means, he wasn't being some kind of decoy or anything to find anything out about anyone. He was there to be a god damned seriously perverted fuck to get his rocks off. And this stupid fucker is going to defend him by saying:

"That is the way I understand it having talked with Matthew. He has talked with many law enforcement agents regarding cases he was pursuing (his monicker was also "realactivist") before and after his involvement with CJ. He was a valuable resource and always willing to write letters of introduction and pursue contacts using his real name. Thus it seems reasonable he was himself not under investigation, suspicion, or otherwise on law enforcement's radar."

First of all, "cases?" CASES? LOL! As if he worked with LE, as if he could even organize anything on his hard drive other than the pics of his ugly diapered ass. Anyway.

1. You bet your sweet ASS he was on law enforcement's radar if he was a NAMBLA member

2. if he was on LE's payroll or otherwise their informant, where is his work? Did he just piddle around on the news groups and jerk off and say he was working with LE as an excuse for that behavior? You betcha.

3. Pictures. Hello? (someone want to post them here for me? lol I've seen them and needed to bleach my eyes out afterwards).

Oh but, wait, maybe he was undercover. I can see that. An undercover informant who dresses up in diapers and shit for other adult pedos, for LE. Uh, yeah, I can see that happening.

PJ Buster went on to say that Matty has never been charged or convicted of anything. Yeah, because that's what happens when your victim KILLS HIMSELF. Oh, he probably just made all that up, about him raping a kid, and then that kid killing himself. Okay, so he made that shit up. HE MADE THAT SHIT UP?

You're kidding me. So, he either did it or he made it up to jerk off to.

That's what I see. And it's fucking disgusting.

Thank you, proprietors of this blog, for letting me have a voice. That's what I want to say.

Corrupted Justice and "Bust Interception" Part I

2008-03-23T12:31:00.000-07:00

Corrupted-Justice.com likes to make unfounded accusations about perverted-justice members, its tactics and its past. Their conspiracy theories often require a tin foil hat and their behavior is the very definition of Paranoia:

Paranoid personality disorder is characterized by a distrust of others and a constant suspicion that people around you have sinister motives. People with this disorder tend to have excessive trust in their own knowledge and abilities and usually avoid close relationships with others. They search for hidden meanings in everything and read hostile intentions into the actions of others. They are quick to challenge the loyalties of friends and loved ones and often appear cold and distant to others. They usually shift blame to others and tend to carry long grudges.

We at Corrupted-Justice.net choose a much easier route, the truth. Plain, simple, unadulterated. It's so much easier to keep track of things when dealing with factual events, don't you think?

Perverted-Justice is plenty busy aiding in the arrest and conviction of predators, so allow me to fill you in on a bit of CJs past. Specifically their "Bust Interception Program"

The CJ founder had many templates for contacting people regarding PJ busts. Here is but one:

Sat May 1/04 09:11

Post subject: Example e-mail to PJ Busts

This is the e-mail I generally send to PJ busts as soon as their e-mail address is publicly posted:

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Subject: Read This!!! It Might Help You!!!

Sir,

You dont know me, but believe me, I am NOT from Perverted-justice.com. I disagree with what they are doing to you, and thoroughly condemn it.

Please, take a minute to visit this site. It exists to help victims of Perverted-Justice.com.

http://www.corrupted-justice.com

I cant imagine what you are going through, but I sincerely hope this link can help you. PLEASE, check it out before doing anything else!!

Dodger

The official CJ "Manual" For Contacting Busts, as written by founder and NAMBLA member, RealActivist aka Matt Carpenter:

Posted: Fri Jul 30/04 02:38

Post subject: "Manual" For Contacting Busts Part 1

Contacting Peverted-justice.com “busts”

When contacting busts that appear on the perverted-justice.com website, there are certain “procedures” that we ask that you follow exactly, to ensure they not only get help in avoiding the PJ harassment, but also to ensure they understand their rights, and options.
1. OFFLINE CONTACTING:
a. When contacting a bust who is offline, make your messages count. You have limited space, and one shot to get their attention so make each word important.
b. Let them know who you are and what your intention in contacting them is (such as “I am an activist who understands that by now you are being harassed, and I want to help you”.). Do not end that message there, as you do not want to fill their offline messages with a bunch of messages with only one or two lines each.
c. Let them know what is going on. Tell them that you understand that they are being harassed, and that it is a site called perverted-justice.com who is causing this harassment.
d. Let them know about corrupted-justice.com and let them know about the “Do’s and Don’ts” page.
AN OFFLINE MESSAGE SHOULD LOOK SIMILAR TO THIS:
“You do not know me, however I am an activist who understands that by now you are probably being harassed. Those causing this is perverted-justice.com, and I am here to help you avoid their harassment. Please see http://www.corrupted-justice.com and their “Dos and Donts” page on their main site, as it gives tips and ideas how to avoid the harassment.. I want to help you. Contact me if you need anything at any time here or in email”.

Lest you think this was a brief phase of CJ, what follows is the email that yet another CJ member routinely sent to busts, you'll note the span of these examples is nearly seven months:

Posted: Mon Nov 22/04 16:32

Post subject: Bust Intercept email template

Dear --

I am a volunteer with www.corrupted-justice.com , a civil rights group helping people being attacked by vigilantes on the internet. You may not be aware of this, but your photo, phone number and other contact information have been posted on the website www.perverted-justice.com , and they claim that you recently had an online chat with a minor. The chat log has been posted along with your information.

They will try to harass you and intimidate you, try to psychologically break you, and find as much personal information about you as possible in an effort to destroy your life. Please go to www.corrupted-justice.com to see how you can protect yourself. We have a lot of experience fighting this group of vigilantes, and have helped many people like you since Perverted-Justice began operating. If you follow the advice in this letter and on our website, you will suffer much less harassment. These are described on the front page of www.corrupted-justice.com . Just click on the Dos and Donts link at the top of the main page. But to summarize:

1) Delete all personal information, including your picture, from your AOL and Yahoo profiles. Do not delete the accounts themselves, nor your archived copy of the chat log, as the IMs and emails you receive can be traced to determine the actual identity of those harassing you and your copy of the chat can be used to prove any changes that have made to the chat, if you indeed had it. Additionally, make sure that your chat archive function is activated, so that you can save any harassing IMs you receive as evidence. You can do this on Yahoo by clicking on contacts in your main Yahoo Messenger menu, then clicking on message archive. AOL does not have an archive feature, so you would need to save any harassing IMs directly to your computer.

2) Find and delete any and all personal information about yourself you have posted on the internet. Perverted-Justice is already actively looking for it, if they have not found your details already. Anything you can do to make their job harder will slow or stop the harassment against you.

3) If you turn on your AOL or Yahoo IM, use the invisible mode, so nobody can see that you are online. Perverted-Justice has a system on their website to alert their members that you are online. Every time you go online and do NOT use the invisible mode, it makes it that much easier for them to harass you.

4) If you use your AOL or Yahoo IM, change your settings so that websites can not see if you are online. This can be done by accessing your profile on Yahoo and checking the box by the appropriate option. This may not be possible on AOL, however, so you might want to consider getting a new screen name to use for chat if you are an AOL client.

5) If you are harassed online, take down all screen names that message you. Save these, and save their messages in your chat archives. We at www.corrupted-justice.com can often find the actual identities of those harassing you, and can also contact them as your advocate, and tell them to cease harassing you or face legal consequences.

6) Change your telephone number, and get or use Caller ID to screen your calls. If people call and threaten you, tell them that they are harassing you and you are tracing their calls, and that you will go to the authorities if they do not stop. Also, do not accept telephone calls from blocked numbers, as these are often people from Perverted-Justice attempting to harass you.

7) Do not have any more contact with Perverted-Justice.com or anyone associated with them. They WILL only use whatever you say against you. They do NOT want to help you, no matter how much they try to convince you they will.

8) Do not send a RoR (right-of-reply) to Perverted-Justice.com. They will demand that you do, and claim that writing one will enable you to have your information removed from their site. This has only happened a few times in over 800 postings. Your RoR not only counts as a triumph in Perverted-Justice.coms minds, but it can also be used against you as a confession.

9) If and when they contact family, neighbors, friends, or employers, take legal action, and be honest- humans make mistakes and this was an unfortunate mistake. Do not allow this situation to ruin your life or destroy your self esteem. Perverted-Justice.com wants to cause you pain and humiliation.

10) Seek legal advice if possible. Perverted-Justice.com is violating MANY of your rights (right to due process, right to privacy, right to face your accuser; among others). We have the actual identity of the site owner, which should make it easier for you to sue them if you so choose. As mentioned earlier, we have also uncovered the identities of many of those responsible for the ongoing harassment of Perverted-Justices victims. We would be happy to share all of this information with your attorney, if you decide to file suit against Perverted-Justice.com.

If you go to our site, www.corrupted-justice.com , trusted screen names there are CJ Black Widow, Dodger (Scott Morrow, site owner), PJBuster, Stef and Kissme4luck2. After registering at our site, and reading our forums, you can send any of them a private message to seek support or advice. All have a lot of experience with Perverted-Justice and would be happy to share it with you.

If I have not already done so, I will try to contact you by telephone later today. Please feel free to email me or IM me at trex132 or cj_cyber_assistant_00 on Yahoo, or Here To Help 10 ( without quotation marks) on AOL if you need to talk. I am here to help you.

Good luck, and I hope very much to hear from you soon.,

sincerely,

www.corrupted-justice.com

Now allow me to share with you one of many interactions between CJ members and a PJ bust. Trex really went all out in IM making an impassioned plea for poor Adrian - Yahoo IM , email and voicemail on the bust telephone number:

21:31:18) here_to_help_10: Here To Help 10: Hello. I am a volunteer for www.corrupted-justice.com . We are fighting to stop vigilantes on the internet. You have just been posted on www.perverted-justice.com . Thye have your name, and contact information and will start to harass you. Your best option right now is to go invisible on Yahoo and visit www.corrupted-justice.com to read how you can protect yourself. I am trying to help you and want nothing from you at all.
(21:32:38) here_to_help_10: delete your profile from Yahoo, and if you can change your cell phone number, do so ASAP. It is posted on their site (203-218-7051). If people are harassing you, tell them that they can be prosecutedd for it, and that you want them to stop immediately. If they harass you in IM, take their screen names, so that www.corrupted-justice can attempt to get their real names--we have several, including the site owners, and are helping attorneys who are trying to sue them.
(21:33:50) here_to_help_10: you ahd a chat with french_f_r_y_13, who said he was a 13 yo girl--he was an adult who entrapped you, and wants to see you identified and humiliated on the internet. The peopleof Perverted-Justice will try to find your home address and work info, and will attempt to contact ouyr family, friends, neighbors and employers if they can. PLEASE believe me when I say I want only to help you aviod the harassment from this site.
(21:34:10) here_to_help_10: If people are messaging you, IGNORE THEM. Do NOT listen to what they ahve to say. They will tell you that you need to write a ight Of Reply and that this will take you off theirt site--it will NOT. That has happened only a few times out of more than 700 postings. They are vicious and ruthless, and want only to damage you. They will threaten you in an effort to get more information out of you.
(21:34:33) here_to_help_10: If you are reading this and dont wish to reply, but understand what I am saying, please just type the letter K so that I know you are reading. I want NOTHING form you--no information. I only want to help you stop any harassment that might be ocurring.
(21:37:43) here_to_help_10: What to do (or not do) when “busted” by Perverted-Justice.com Do not have any more contact with Perverted-Justice.com or anyone associated with them. They WILL only use whatever you say against you, and will be used to gain information on you in hopes of upsetting your life (by contacting loved ones, employers, neighbors, etc). They do NOT want to help you, no matter how much they try to convince you they will.
(21:38:50) here_to_help_10: Do not send a RoR (right-of-reply) to Perverted-Justice.com. This not only counts as a triumph in Perverted-Justice.com’s minds, but it can also be used against you as a “confession”.
(21:39:08) here_to_help_10: TRACE EVERY HARASSING PHONE CALL you receive. Even private numbers can be traced through the phone company. It may cost per trace, but it is worth it. Most states have laws that after two or three traces from one phone number, criminal charges can be filed against the caller. You should immediately set your phone up to not accept calls from numbers that have private or unlisted numbers (private call block). And if you have caller ID, make sure to write down every number (as well as trace the numbers) and do not erase the caller ID so you can verify who called and how many people called.
(21:39:24) here_to_help_10: Save any and all chat logs, instant messenger logs, emails or other correspondence from Perverted-Justice.com and anyone else contacting you. (for Yahoo messenger or AIM messenger, they are usually found in the “C” drive of your computer in the program folder, and then whatever folder labeled with the program you were using. Chat room logs may or may not be there). This is important because it will allow for you to prove that you are being harassed, stalked, threatened, etc. It will also verify your side of the story, and show that you have been coerced, or enticed by the supposed “minor” (the Perverted-Justice.com baiter).
(21:39:39) here_to_help_10: Delete your Yahoo Profile (but not your account). You should delete your profile on Yahoo so your personal information is not seen, but do not delete your account, because any harassing emails can be used to get IP numbers from, in order to contact the harasser’s ISP to file a complaint (every Terms Of Service of every Internet Service Provider says that their service can not be used to harass, harm, defame, etc. another person. Get the IP numbers from each email and file a complaint against each person harassing you).
(21:39:55) here_to_help_10: If and when they contact family, neighbors, friends, or employers, take legal action, and be honest- humans make mistakes and this was an unfortunate mistake. Do not allow this situation to ruin your life or destroy your self esteem. Perverted-Justice.com wants to cause you pain and humiliation (they thrive on knowing they are hurting others). Do not let them win. Seek legal advice if possible. Perverted-Justice.com is violating MANY of your rights (right to due process, right to privacy, right to remain silent, among many others). is violating MANY of your rights (right to due process, right to privacy, right to remain silent, among many others).
(21:40:20) here_to_help_10: OK--I have given you as much information as I can think of now. PLEASE feel free to message me at this screen name, or here_to_help_10 on Yahoo IM. I am often online, and if you do contact www.corrupted-justice.com , you will find that we have coverage almost 24/7 if you need any help. If there is ANYTHING I or others at corrupted-justice can do, do not hesitate to message us. We all want to help you escape any harassment, either online or off. Good luck, and I hope to hear from you again.

Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:45:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: jeff adams Add to Address Book
Subject: Adrian, I am Here To Help you
To: arb1210@yahoo.com

Dear Adrian--

I am a volunteer with www.corrupted-justice.com , a civil rights group that helps people being attacked by vigilantes on the internet. I dont know if youre aware of this or not, but you have been posted on the website www.perverted-justice.com , and your photo, phone number and other contact information are now being looked at by their group.

They will try to harrass you and intimidate you, and generally make your life hell. Please go to www.corrupted-justice.com to see how you can protect yourself. We have a lot of experience with this, and have helped many people since this began. If you do a few things, you will suffer much less harrassment. These are described on the front page of our website. But to summarize:

1) delete all personal information, including your picture, from your AOL and Yahoo profiles. Do not delete the accounts themselves, as the IMs and emails you receive can be traced to determine the actual identity of those harassing you.

2) if you turn on your AOL or Yahoo IM, use the invisible mode, so nobody can see that you are online.

3) If you use your AOL or Yahoo IM, change your settings, so that websites can not see if you are online.

4) If you are harrassed, take down all screen names that message you. Save these, and save their messages in your chat archives.

5) change your telephone number, and get or use Caller ID to screen your calls. If people call and threaten you, tell them that they are harrassing you and you are tracing their calls, andthat you will go to the authorities if they do not stop.

Please feel free to email me or IM me at stockstud1970 or Here To Help 10 if you need to talk. I am here to help you.

Good luck, and I hope very much to hear from you soon.,

sincerely,

Jeff

As always, I will post any responses I receive.

Now just who was this man, arb1210 that Trex was so desperate to help? You're welcome to read the entire chat log, posted here for yourself here otherwise you can just read these pertinent excerpts from the chat log 42 year old Adrian had with 13 year old "Cat":

arb1210 (4:54:48 PM): I am ok I will just ask about you then - so what color panties r u wearing
french_f_r_y_13 (4:55:13 PM): omg y r u askin me that
arb1210 (4:55:31 PM): cause I am curious (blushing emoticon)
french_f_r_y_13 (4:55:52 PM): d00d i dont cyber k thx
arb1210 (4:56:19 PM): I didn't say that u did so what is the harm in telling me - I have white underwear on k I went first lol

arb1210 (5:25:36 PM): ok if I was gonna have sex with a girl and let's say that we kissed and all that and then she let me take her pants off and she was wearing ( blue ) panties lol I would say wow nice panties and that would make me crazzzzy so I would continue to touch them , kiss them all over b4 i took them off and continued , so the color and type of panties u wear makes a guy nuts that is what I am trying to tell you , so next time you put a pair on you can thin about that k

arb1210 (5:28:34 PM): I would feel your pussy ( sorry ) through your panties cause they would feel so good b4 I did anything else
french_f_r_y_13 (5:29:05 PM):d00d u don even care im a virgin n im 13????? serius????????
arb1210 (5:29:55 PM): no I don't care - age is just a number - if you can have fun with someone and you can laugh and feel good together then what does it matter

Read enough? Yeah, me too. All this, and more, from a former youth baseball coach.

Just as importantly you're welcome to read his conviction blurb here. Yes. Conviction blurb. Because, you see, this man that CJ was so desperate to help was found guilty in a court of law, as so many after him were, and will continue to be.

Of particular interest is this:<

Broadley is not a one-time individual, he was also arrested two years ago for exposing himself to minors. However, the parents and the minors backed out of testifying and Broadley walked on the charge. Despite the close-call with police, Broadley still was looking for minors and found what he thought was one in September of 2004. Unfortunately for ol' Adrian, all he found instead was Pibb.

Check back next Sunday for another in-depth look at one of the many convicted child predators CJ has sought to help.

The cowardly history of CJ.com harassment

2008-03-22T00:10:00.000-07:00

Some people, new to this conflict, might wonder why we hold CJ.com in such severe antipathy. After all, Perverted-Justice.com has been criticized by others, in some cases just as virulently. However, our hatred of those at CJ.com is grounded in their history. It is not that they attempt to harass Perverted-Justice.com members who simply seek to work with police to get pedophiles arrested... it's who they pick to harass. People dying or dealing with a loved one who is doing so. If you've ever bristled at some of the language we use to describe those at the "pedo den", keep reading and you will understand completely why there the level of dislike held for them is so high.

As we've written before, despite public denials to the contrary, Corrupted Justice.com was intimately linked with the website once known as "AVSO" (anti-vigilante something or other, not sure that it matters what it actually stood for). AVSO's entire purpose was to be, essentially, the public harassment wing of CJ.com (of course, CJ.com's private forums had their fair share of this as well). It was led by an idiot from Germany known as Desertfox and some other moron who called himself PWAP. PWAP liked to act really tough in public, making a big show of his frequently incorrect information, believing he could scare off most PeeJ'rs. Of course, this was what he (and others like him) was like in private:

From: PWAP
To: aliza
Subject: Re: Outing PJers
Date: Thursday, 08/26/04 06:36 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

QUOTE (aliza)
I all for you, but since im a moderator, i dont really count. So if they dont let you officially take the aggressive stance, PM me what you find :wink:

Ok...

But only if you promise to do something juicy with the info!
Im too scared of being stalked to do it myself. Its shameful to admit, but I dont want to suffer the wrath of PeeJ.

What will you do with the identities if I pass on the info to you? I know I sound paranoid, but I have gotten screwed and been tricked before.

This is a crazy, crazy drama... I wish it would end.

Sigh.

From: aliza
To: PWAP
Subject: Re: Outing PJers
Date: Thursday, 08/26/04 07:31 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

truthfully? I wont do shit with it. Ill sit and giggle to myself. I might create a Perverted Justice community on Livejournal, and post the names in it, updating the journal only from a computer that cant be traced to me...who knows? Ill probably just sit on the info, and like i said, giggle.

From: PWAP
To: aliza
Subject: Re: Outing PJers
Date: Friday, 08/27/04 07:53 AM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

QUOTE (aliza)
truthfully? I wont do shit with it. Ill sit and giggle to myself. I might create a Perverted Justice community on Livejournal, and post the names in it, updating the journal only from a computer that cant be traced to me...who knows?

I thought about doing that myself -- but driving to an internet cafe to screw PJ seemed a bit obsessive to me... Sometimes I wish I were a bust, then I would have nothing to lose and I would have no fear of them finding out who I am.

QUOTE (aliza)
Ill probably just sit on the info, and like i said, giggle.

Tee hee.

It IS fun when you find out who they are... very satisfying. You should join me on the hunt. Its easier than you think.

Give me a short list of any follow-uppers that rub you the wrong way, and I will see what i can find.

I dont really bother with the staff any more, they are now pretty well hidden and cover their tracks like CIA operatives. Fuckers.

Bye Sugarplum.

In short, cowards. Incompetent cowards, at that. Even worse, incompetent cowards who would harass 14 year old children. In at least one case, incompetent pedophile cowards who would harass 14 year old children. Here is an account of the harassment of "Geris," from a site that Geris belonged to (neither a PJ nor CJ.net related source):

http://emptv.com/avso

meathooks wrote:
SO, our little prevert-justice 13 yr old is also a scum - Eide and his live in life companion have sucessfully demonstrated they should be known by the company they keep.

With a cross dresser (with no boobies), a sociopath, and the rest of the merry bunch, why does on get the sinking feeling that they are sinking?

How about giving us the kid's parents last name, address, and telephone number? After all, they are felon-enablers..

trex132 wrote:
I agree with meathooks, here. Whether the little asswipe is a minor or not, his contact details should go up here. Not only so that his parents can be informed, but also so that the police in his community can be notified.

If you don't feel comfortable posting the info here, send it to me in a PM. I will personally call the cops on this little turd and give them all the information you have found.

Hopefully, with a little forceful intervention on our part, this juvenile delinquent can turn his life around before it's too late. Unlike the hypocrites of PJ/.net, for us it really IS all about protecting the children....or, in this case, protecting society FROM the children.

I hope they lock him up! :D

Quick note: Trex132 is/was a pedophile known as Jeff Woloson. He moved to the Netherlands because he felt it would be much safer to rape children there. This is the kind of person that CJ.com and AVSO embraced in 2004, and they continue to embrace people like him to this day. And just to help confirm how much of a pedophile he is:

geris_deep: I have my pic online.
trex132: yup
trex132: I am looking at it right now--kinda cute, in a dorky sort of way

And here is CJ Black Widow harassing a child:

DeathMistress wrote:

PJ does not accept "I was joking" or "I was just playing a game" and neither does AVSO, little buttmuncher.

Did we learn a lesson today, Geris? The lesson was you are too young to participate in adult matters. Now go play with your GI Joes and stay the fuck out of situations that you have no right being in.

Here she is again:

So dont give us the "it was a joke" or the "I didnt know what I was doing" BULLSHIT. You got busted, Geris.

If you dont immediately resign from the PJ site because you are a MINOR, we will also post you pic for all to see. Got it, LITTLE MAN?

Of course, they don't just harass 14 year olds. As I've demonstrated, the CJ.commers who put on such a brave, public face against the so-called "harassment machine" of Perverted-Justice.com were actually sniveling babies in private. Just like the pedophiles they enable, they're cowardly and can't handle dealing with adults nor people they perceive to be strong opponents. This is why essentially every single person (aside from Geris) who has been significantly harassed by a CJ.com staff member or supporter has been either very ill or has had a family member who was ill. I have removed the names of the PeeJ members involved, as all that really matters is that CJ.commers know that all of the following is quite true, and they will be the ones who will have to answer to it someday.

- They harassed a PeeJ member whose husband was dying. They called her on the phone and asked her if he was dead yet and had a good laugh about it.

- They harassed a PeeJ member whose wife was suffering from a debilitating disease, sending him extremely crass messages about her. This member later passed away, and CJ.com's response was to post a very long thread attacking him.

This was the sort of thing posted about this man, lies and vile bullshit. But don't dare speak ill of child porn peddlers like Louis Conradt!:

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

That guy was an asshole.

And here are CJBW's thoughts on the matter:

He was vile, nasty and hateful. He harassed those such as myself and others based on views and views only. Two days after joining he sent me a IM calling me a baby raper and a cunt. He verbally attacked people he did not know based on what he read on a website. Back when he started, there was no LE involvement at all. He decided he would be judge, jury and executioner. He made phone calls at all hours of the night. He made threats, left unspeakable verbage in offline messages to those that dared cross him. He thought he was a god, when in fact, he was nothing more than a little man with a cold heart.

Here is a sample of PJ Buster's comments:

Funny how we get to know more about a person's identity when they die. Perhaps that's the desirable state of most of PJ'ers... if they aren't going to give up their identities any other way.

- They harassed a former PeeJ contributor who, again, was suffering from terrible illnesses, and they mocked him for it.
- They allowed a photoshopped avatar of a PeeJ member who was known to be dying of cancer.

This is the true face of the core members of CJ.com. Cowards who harass people who they believe to be weak, who they believe they can scare off. None of the above people were weak, however. They are and were some of the strongest and most inspiring members of Perverted Justice.com. It's just another example of how everything they do fails, and it's another example of how right from its foundation, CJ.com is built upon nothing more than some of the worst qualities that members of this species can have.

Many things about CJ Black Widow, part 1

2008-03-21T23:10:00.000-07:00

While most CJ'rs tend to primarily stick to their little cave, there is one prominent member who just can't manage to be satisfied with preaching to the choir. She is quick to hit any articles about Perverted Justice on the internet, filling the comment pages with typical CJ lies. She is quick to comment here on .Net with bluster and immaturity. She has well over a dozen banned names on Perverted Justice.com in the last year or so (and so, that doesn't count any accounts she made in 2004-2006). On top of that, she has the time to make many posts at sex offender activist sites like SOSEN.

Of course, she will then make random insults directed towards women who spend fewer hours on the computer than she does, when they do so to put child predators in jail. Hypocrisy is one of her many qualities, as you'll see.

In my last blog, I posted a snippet of private messages between CJ members from 2004 to illustrate the fact that they knew SonofaGun is a former PJ bust known as Jay Berg. The conversations illustrated the fact that, at the time, CJ was focused on "bust interception." Of course, I have more than just PMs that prove that. As a sample:

CJBW has nothing better than to claim such things are faked. I could post screenshot after screenshot of hundreds of threads, hundreds of PMs, and thousands of posts. This, for example, is from their "inner circle" forums. She wasn't in there at the time, I don't believe. Here, PJ Buster has good news about Ryan Hogan:

I don't think that this was the good news he wanted to share.

I have so much more that I haven't even come close to reading all of it, to be honest. What I have read in their entirety, however, are all the private messages CJ Black Widow made over many months. In those months, she had at least three different accounts (on CJ.com alone, that is, that doesn't count her "vigilante alter-ego" at AVSO), primarily out of fear of CJ.net.

In what will be a very long post, I shall publish them. Things to look for: How little has changed between 2004 and now, how she gets scared of people finding out personal information about her but then tries to look tough with an LOL. Yet she will bring up the same people "harassing her" over and over again to various people, because they really don't matter and don't bother her. K. Also note various defenses of men who talk sexually to children and how she claims that they don't meet for sex. Also note how she was in on the ground floor of AVSO, while she babbles about PJ'rs harassing people. And finally, please note how absolutely nothing she has done has ever had the slightest bit of success.

Without further introduction, here are a ton of (faked, of course, DUH) PMs (please note, they are arranged by the name of those she was speaking to, rather than just by date; also note that many of the people she writes to are no longer at CJ.com and haven't been for, well, years):

From: aztatgirl
To: chris
Subject: Hey
Date: Saturday, 08/07/04 07:49 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

If I were in your position I would move clewiss posts to Troll and not grace him with a reply. Trolls such as this idiot dont deserve replies.

aztatgirl

From: aztatgirl
To: chris
Subject: By the way
Date: Saturday, 08/07/04 07:54 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Thanks for the message about bikers....ha ha. Dont have one anymore, gave him both in divorce. But once a biker always a biker. If you ever want to chat I am aztatgirl on Yahoo messenger. I took it off this site on my profile because of the messages I was getting, but feel free to IM me.

aztatgirl

From: aztatgirl
To: chris
Subject: Sorry
Date: Sunday, 08/08/04 04:46 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

My computer froze. Here is the conversation:

aztatgirl (4:19:34 PM): why is that? Never read it
s_cooley90040 (4:19:52 PM): oh
s_cooley90040 (4:20:00 PM): its got a girl crapping in her own mouth
aztatgirl (4:20:08 PM): and why do you ask me that?
s_cooley90040 (4:20:18 PM): its just sick
s_cooley90040 (4:20:41 PM): you are not following the post on the board?
s_cooley90040 (4:20:45 PM): i see you logged in
aztatgirl (4:20:58 PM): I am always logged in
s_cooley90040 (4:21:03 PM): to cj?
s_cooley90040 (4:21:23 PM): many of the cj.com people got very quiet
s_cooley90040 (4:21:26 PM): just wondering
s_cooley90040 (4:21:42 PM): nobody else saw fit to comment on the pornography he has on his web page
aztatgirl (4:21:42 PM): I have no idea
s_cooley90040 (4:22:25 PM): well its interesting to read
aztatgirl (4:22:28 PM): and what does this site have to do with me?
s_cooley90040 (4:22:43 PM): the armyof1 is asking lots of questions about the integrity of the page now
s_cooley90040 (4:23:05 PM): and vigilanteh8r just got banned
aztatgirl (4:23:25 PM): it was explained from what I read that it was a page to spam spammers. But that is what I read.
aztatgirl (4:23:36 PM): oh, well
s_cooley90040 (4:24:05 PM): no.. its a page to expose and humiliate scammers
s_cooley90040 (4:24:10 PM): its part of a larger page
s_cooley90040 (4:24:14 PM): of people who do that
aztatgirl (4:24:36 PM): Like I said, I havent seen it, nor have the desire to do so
s_cooley90040 (4:24:47 PM): why not?
aztatgirl (4:25:00 PM): not interested in it
s_cooley90040 (4:25:24 PM): it damages much of what cj.com is about
s_cooley90040 (4:25:49 PM): hard to have a anti-vigilante web page when the admin operates a seperate vigilante web page
aztatgirl (4:26:26 PM): I dont think so...not anymore than angrymans other web site does to PJs.
s_cooley90040 (4:26:54 PM): if you think so
s_cooley90040 (4:27:05 PM): well you have a great day.. later heidi
aztatgirl (4:27:58 PM): so you know my name...
s_cooley90040 (4:28:45 PM): i read it someplace
s_cooley90040 (4:28:57 PM): i have a friend named heidi
aztatgirl (4:29:02 PM): ahhh
s_cooley90040 (4:29:07 PM): but its someone else
aztatgirl (4:29:16 PM): and who am I speaking to?
s_cooley90040 (4:30:18 PM): s cooley
aztatgirl (4:31:00 PM): and you are contacting me just to ask me what I thought of a site in which I have no interest in.
aztatgirl (4:31:53 PM): I cannot comment on something I have not seen, if thats what you are digging for.
s_cooley90040 (4:31:55 PM): you dont have interest in cj.com?
s_cooley90040 (4:32:03 PM): you post there
aztatgirl (4:32:13 PM): cj, yes...links, no
s_cooley90040 (4:32:14 PM): it seems you have interest
s_cooley90040 (4:32:31 PM): its the topic of discussion on the board right now
aztatgirl (4:32:34 PM): and you think you are baiting me, huh? LOL
s_cooley90040 (4:32:37 PM): do you follow the topics??
s_cooley90040 (4:32:44 PM): baiting you for what?
aztatgirl (4:32:50 PM): some, I do...some, I do not.
s_cooley90040 (4:32:51 PM): i was asking your opinion
s_cooley90040 (4:33:05 PM): ok when you read it, and want to discuss it get back to me
s_cooley90040 (4:33:08 PM): ok
aztatgirl (4:33:10 PM): no opinion on something I have not seen.
s_cooley90040 (4:33:14 PM): ok
s_cooley90040 (4:33:18 PM): later heidi

What do you think of this?

From: aztatgirl
To: chris
Subject: Re: You can NEVER pick on Wal-Mart too often
Date: Wednesday, 08/11/04 03:14 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Thats a old one...but still funny everytime I read it. Might be off the topic you are looking for regarding Sheriff Joke (Arpaio), but this was in Phoenix New Times last week. We used to live in the neighborhood where this happened: -http://-www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2004-08-05/feature.html

Thanks,
aztatgirl

From: aztatgirl
To: Dodger
Subject: Unfortuantely
Date: Sunday, 07/18/04 12:30 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

The harassment has already started because I joined your site. Now I understand how really wacko these PJers are.

aztatgirl

From: aztatgirl
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: Unfortuantely
Date: Sunday, 07/18/04 01:02 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

I have only gotten one so far, but I figured since I just joined this is one of many more. Didnt mean to say I got more yet, but one was enough already for me to let you know. What horseshit! This asshole even said how stupid I was to have a pic of my license plate on my profile on Yahoo like that means a rats ass...LOL.

Thanks for the reply,
aztatgirl

From: aztatgirl
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: Unfortuantely
Date: Sunday, 07/18/04 01:06 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Maybe not a big deal, but here it is:

pedo_slammer (7/17/2004 6:39:26 PM): pretty stupid for someone who takes
up for pedophiles to leave a pic of their lisence plate in their profile

I will be saving them all and forward them to you as I get them. I am sure I will get more because I know how these losers work.

Thanks for your help!

aztatgirl

From: aztatgirl
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: Unfortuantely
Date: Sunday, 07/18/04 01:12 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

I checked...its a screename on Yahoo. So funny. Wait...I just got a IM from someone named trex132. Know who that is?

aztatgirl

From: aztatgirl
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: Unfortuantely
Date: Sunday, 07/18/04 01:18 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Thanks for letting me know. Wasnt sure and thought it might be a bad guy.

aztatgirl

From: aztatgirl
To: Dodger
Subject: New Post
Date: Friday, 07/30/04 04:29 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

If I havent posted for awhile, and then I do and it doesnt show up as a new post is that bad? LOL

aztatgirl

From: aztatgirl
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: New Post
Date: Friday, 07/30/04 04:34 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Thanks! No, I am not blonde...hee hee

From: aztatgirl
To: Dodger
Subject: Hey Dodger
Date: Monday, 08/16/04 08:33 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Does the name s_cooley90040 on yahoo ring a bell? This is the second time he/she has IMed me to belittle me about my views. I finally put him on ignore and told him/her that I kept all messages and emails from anyone that questioned or harassed me about CJ.

Thanks,
aztatgirl

From: aztatgirl
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: Hey Dodger
Date: Tuesday, 08/17/04 03:51 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

I understand fully about the screen name thing and wasnt really thinking when I did it. Unfortunately, I am attached to it (email, etc). Can we maybe delete it and then I can go ahead and make a new one? Just let me know, and I will go ahead and make a new one and rejoin.

aztatgirl

From: Dodger
To: aztatgirl
Subject: Re: Hey Dodger
Date: Tuesday, 08/17/04 03:53 PM
Status: Saved in received

That will be fine. Just send me an IM from this account before you do it telling me what name youll be using so I can validate you immediately.

I would prefer to leave the old account up though, as your posts have been intelligent and enlightening and I do not wish to lose them.

Dodger

From: aztatgirl
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: Hey Dodger
Date: Tuesday, 08/17/04 03:58 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Okay...gonna make new one. It will be unicorn_spirit.

aztatgirl

From: aztatgirl
To: Pinback
Subject: Problem
Date: Sunday, 08/08/04 04:37 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Pinback...problem. I have someone called s_cooley90040 IMing me questioning me about answerdude.net.

aztatgirl (4:19:34 PM): why is that? Never read it
s_cooley90040 (4:19:52 PM): oh
s_cooley90040 (4:20:00 PM): its got a girl crapping in her own mouth
aztatgirl (4:20:08 PM): and why do you ask me that?
s_cooley90040 (4:20:18 PM): its just sick
s_cooley90040 (4:20:41 PM): you are not following the post on the board?
s_cooley90040 (4:20:45 PM): i see you logged in
aztatgirl (4:20:58 PM): I am always logged in
s_cooley90040 (4:21:03 PM): to cj?
s_cooley90040 (4:21:23 PM): many of the cj.com people got very quiet
s_cooley90040 (4:21:26 PM): just wondering
s_cooley90040 (4:21:42 PM): nobody else saw fit to comment on the pornography he has on his web page
aztatgirl (4:21:42 PM): I have no idea
s_cooley90040 (4:22:25 PM): well its interesting to read
aztatgirl (4:22:28 PM): and what does this site have to do with me?
s_cooley90040 (4:22:43 PM): the armyof1 is asking lots of questions about the integrity of the page now
s_cooley90040 (4:23:05 PM): and vigilanteh8r just got banned
aztatgirl (4:23:25 PM): it was explained from what I read that it was a page to spam spammers. But that is what I read.
aztatgirl (4:23:36 PM): oh, well
s_cooley90040 (4:24:05 PM): no.. its a page to expose and humiliate scammers
s_cooley90040 (4:24:10 PM): its part of a larger page
s_cooley90040 (4:24:14 PM): of people who do that
aztatgirl (4:24:36 PM): Like I said, I havent seen it, nor have the desire to do so
s_cooley90040 (4:24:47 PM): why not?
aztatgirl (4:25:00 PM): not interested in it
s_cooley90040 (4:25:24 PM): it damages much of what cj.com is about
s_cooley90040 (4:25:49 PM): hard to have a anti-vigilante web page when the admin operates a seperate vigilante web page
aztatgirl (4:26:26 PM): I dont think so...not anymore than angrymans other web site does to PJs.
s_cooley90040 (4:26:54 PM): if you think so
s_cooley90040 (4:27:05 PM): well you have a great day.. later heidi
aztatgirl (4:27:58 PM): so you know my name...
s_cooley90040 (4:28:45 PM): i read it someplace
s_cooley90040 (4:28:57 PM): i have a friend named heidi
aztatgirl (4:29:02 PM): ahhh
s_cooley90040 (4:29:07 PM): but its someone else
aztatgirl (4:29:16 PM): and who am I speaking to?
s_cooley90040 (4:30:18 PM): s cooley
aztatgirl (4:31:00 PM): and you are contacting me just to ask me what I thought of a site in which I have no interest in.
aztatgirl (4:31:53 PM): I cannot comment on something I have not seen, if thats what you are digging for.
s_cooley90040 (4:31:55 PM): you dont have interest in cj.com?
s_cooley90040 (4:32:03 PM): you post there
aztatgirl (4:32:13 PM): cj, yes...links, no
s_cooley90040 (4:32:14 PM): it seems you have interest
s_cooley90040 (4:32:31 PM): its the topic of discussion on the board right now
aztatgirl (4:32:34 PM): and you think you are baiting me, huh? LOL
s_cooley90040 (4:32:37 PM): do you follow the topics??
s_cooley90040 (4:32:44 PM): baiting you for what?
aztatgirl (4:32:50 PM): some, I do...some, I do not.
s_cooley90040 (4:32:51 PM): i was asking your opinion
s_cooley90040 (4:33:05 PM): ok when you read it, and want to discuss it get back to me
s_cooley90040 (4:33:08 PM): ok
aztatgirl (4:33:10 PM): no opinion on something I have not seen.
s_cooley90040 (4:33:14 PM): ok
s_cooley90040 (4:33:18 PM): later heidi

What do you think? I think he was digging for something.

From: Pinback
To: aztatgirl
Subject: Re: Problem
Date: Sunday, 08/08/04 04:45 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

aztatgirl,

The website is somewhat as he says it is. Two pictures are there and are disgusting. I hope dodger removes them and possibly shuts down the site altogether.

As for looking for info on you, it seems that this new militant wing of PJ is out to terrorize CJ members. I would suggest avoiding confrontations with them. If you are worried about your identity, just make sure that information about you cannot be tied into whatever everyone already knows about you.

I guess this is the price for believing in civi rights and the law. CJ may need a little cleaning up, but the purpose of the site (protecting civil rights) is what I stand behind.

Pinback

From: aztatgirl
To: Real Activist
Subject: Thanks
Date: Tuesday, 08/10/04 05:25 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Thank you for the reply about my post that I made this morning, even if it did end up on the dead thread forum. I do understand why it was done, but it is too bad more did not see it. I for one, feel that people are forgetting what we are all here for. I got online before work and posted it, and when I couldnt find it, I thought maybe I forgot to hit submit (after all, I do get up at 4:30 a.m....ha ha ha). But I am glad I found it and could read your words of wisdom and praise for what I posted.

Thanks again,
aztatgirl

From: aztatgirl
To: Stef
Subject: Hi!
Date: Monday, 07/19/04 08:35 PM
Status: Saved in received, Outbox of sender

I hope you dont mind that I PMed you here. I wanted to introduce myself and tell you why I am here and why i am so passionate about this subject, but not comfortable to post it in a forum.

My real name is Heidi and I do live in Arizona. I am a 48 yr old divorced mother of 3 kids: a daughter, 30 (and married) and twin boys that are 16. And yes, I am a biker (tattoos and everything, oh my!). when my daughter was 8, I married my second husband. Two years later, I was told by my babysitter that she had overheard my daughter talking to her children. She said that my husband had been molesting her. I immediately called the police. They asked me if they could take her to a shelter just for the night. I faced my husband alone that night. No support, no help. I convinced him to call the police on his own. And divorced him before he went to jail (for this offense in 1984 he got one year in county jail and 5 yrs probation!). Four months later, after numerous court dates and counseling, she came home. Years later I still faced the stigma that was attached with even having a relationship with a pedophile, even though I had not known until the day I was told by the babysitter. My daughter...so afraid someone would find out one day that she was sexually molested. That was 20 yrs ago. But even after all we went through, I still believe that there should be lawful, moral and deceitful channels that are gone through prosecute those who do break the law and protect those who are not guilty.

I hope i have made sense and am honored to be associated with the people of CJ.

Thanks,
Heidi
aztatgirl

From: aztatgirl
To: Stef
Subject: Re: Hi!
Date: Monday, 07/19/04 09:11 PM
Status: Saved in received, Outbox of sender

I sent you a offline message on Yahoo. I fully understand your stand on why you need a name and number to verify. Please give me a little time to get to know all of you before I will feel comfortable enough to give that info to you.

Thanks,
Heidi

aztatgirl

From: Stef
To: aztatgirl
Subject: Re: Hi!
Date: Monday, 07/19/04 09:18 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Sure thing!
Hrmm IM online! Did I spell my username right?
carolinawench
if it was spelled wrong it was prolly because I typoed, which I do often, please ignore!;) Try again!

From: chris
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Hello
Date: Wednesday, 09/15/04 12:48 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

I meant to mention this a day or so back-got tied up with other stuff

THIS is EXACTLY the right attitude in dealing with the scumbags-at least as much as possible, with obvious exceptions for the PJ dtreactors families now threatened by cjn

Notice I said members and yourself...I dont give a flying fuck how the brat pack interpret what I say anymore...

The Brat Pack-SUCH an apt description.

I DONT think the social parasites at CJN will be real happy about that attitude, especially since its more than ONE poster whos said the same thing you have.

HOW SAD :cry:

Always good to have hard-hitters on these forums, something I dont think we could EVER have an overabundance of.

Again, welcome to the site, and, on a personal level, my thanks for being as hard-hitting towards PJ and PJ2 as you have been.

If I can ever be of whatever limited assistance possible, please dont hesitate to holler this way.

Sincerely

chris

From: unicorn_spirit
To: chris
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: Wednesday, 09/15/04 06:12 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Hi Chris.....what a pleasant surprise to hear from you. I have noticed that you and I both say it as it is without sugar-coating it. I have a lot of admiration for Dodger because he does make allowances for us to say what he would like to say ( and I realize why he doesnt, for we do need that balance on CJ) and glad that he lets us get away with being ourselves without
a there will none of that attitude.

I sent Dodger a PM the other day and shared with him a little more about myself, and feel comfortable enough with you to do the same. My name is Heidi ( yep, .net was right...ha ha). I am 48 and the single mom of 3 kids...my daughter is 30, married and living in Colorado, and I have twin sons that are 16...both juniors in high school. One of my sons lives with me and one with his dad (they are fraturnal, and my other son is close to his father). I am a aerospace machinist that works for a great company that does work for Boeing, MCDonnell Douglas, etc. I have been a machinist for 25 yrs now. Even though I am not married (and dont plan to do it again...lol), I have been with my b/f for 2yrs now. Our friends tease me because he is only 32, but we get along pretty good. As you probably know by now I do have tattoos and if you like one day, I can send pics of them to you (I know...I know...they were right....a old tattooed broad....hee hee).

Anyway, please share with me whatever you desire me to know about you, but if not, I will understand. I will continue to post on CJ, because despite what the brat pack think, this old tattooed bitch is not that easily intimidated. I have talked to Trex a few times on IM, and if you ever want to also, I would like that.

Heidi
Unicorn_spirit aka aztatgirl

From: unicorn_spirit
To: chris
Subject: Do me a favor...
Date: Friday, 09/17/04 06:26 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Chris,

Do me a favor? Look on the site -http://groups.msn.com/TattoosOfTheZonies/tattoosofthezonies.msnw

See if my picture is still on there anywhere.

Thanks,
Heidi
unicorn_spirit aka aztatgirl (on Yahoo)

From: chris
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Re: Do me a favor...
Date: Friday, 09/17/04 08:38 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Chris,
Do me a favor? Look on the site -http://groups.msn.com/TattoosOfTheZonies/tattoosofthezonies.msnw

See if my picture is still on there anywhere.

On this page I reached when I clicked, the one with your id on the left side column on the home page, the pic didnt show-I dont know why, as I think it was supposed to (saw the black border for the picture frame, but the little red X in the upper left corner-sorry, Im a complete newbie about this stuff
Hey-just looked at your site-the tats and US drawing are up on the first page-still looking-I am so sorry about what those scum did on FC-Im gonna hit back-tonight, or tomorrow, but theres a payback coming for this BS-again, Im sorry-Ill pm this info your way about what pics are up as well

Other than that one pic not coming up, I couldnt find anything else-youre NOT piercedwoman are you? those pics came up okay

If I can be of ANY further assistance, PLEASE dont hesitate to PM or YIM me-Youll get this message via both YIM, and pm.

sincerely

chris

From: unicorn_spirit
To: chris
Subject: Re: Do me a favor...
Date: Saturday, 09/18/04 11:07 AM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Thanks, Chris. I took the pics of myself off sites long ago (before CJ) but wasnt sure if I had it off my tat site. No pierced woman is not me...lol. Since the assholes at .net decided that they had the need to mention my site I figured it was a good idea to check and make sure it wasnt there.

From: unicorn_spirit
To: chris
Subject: I sent a PM to Trekker
Date: Thursday, 09/23/04 05:29 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

I sent a PM to Trekker and thanked him for his participation on CJ, but I also had to let him know that he could have worded his public post to advise those of his leaving a little better. I hope he understands how a post such as that can have a detrimental effect on those that visit CJ.

Heidi

unicorn_spirit

From: unicorn_spirit
To: chris
Subject: Re: hey
Date: Friday, 09/24/04 03:10 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

I have no intention of leaving CJ. We all know that the shit posted on .net is exactly that...SHIT. I understand that the forums are closed now, right? I know I can still PM and have written emails to Dateline and the Phoenix New Times. I will do what I can do in the background if you like. Send articles I find, etc.

It has been a pleasure to know you, Dodger, Trex, RA and Steph. I would like to continue inputting what I can and when it is allowed and where it is allowed. Just PM be back with a brief explaination on how the site will work and I am there with whatever you need.

unicorn_spirit

chris
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Re: hey
Date: Friday, 09/24/04 03:33 PM
Status: Saved in received, Outbox of sender

stick around then-DAMN THAT FEELS GOOD TO SAY FOR A CHANGE

Were probably gonna be lying pretty low, at least for the next week Id think. its like almost everyone here is shell shocked

Myself, Im just ROYALLY pissed, but keep in touch with the pms, as I might have the beginning of an idea about what the next course of action should be, and seeing as how theyve put you through the same crap they put Stef, RA, and Dodgers family through, I think PJs due for a crackback-and so for now, let Xavvie baby gloat, and let the wine flow at cjn-

BUT, if I put this together the RIGHT way, then we can still yield a pretty rough shot on our own, one that puts some rather HARSH lights and publicity on Xavvie AND PJ, and even better-the cjn maggots. Let Xavier grow swollen on his arrogance, like a tick does with blood (Not bad turn of a phrase)

On a personal note, thank you SO MUCH for sticking up for us when almost everyone else cut out-I think Trekker was a PJ troll, and if thats the case, then I want HIS ASS for some blood

Trex has spoken highly of you in the personal areas, and I completely agree with his sentiment

You royally kick ass, and if I can come up with a decent enough idea on how to hit back, would you be interested in taking part in such an effort? Admittedly, we may only piss them off, but Im shallow enough to consider that as Mission Accomplished

Again, and with MY most sincere thanks,thanks for sticking up for us, in spite of the cost youve paid

PM, at any time you need to

chris,

From: unicorn_spirit
To: chris
Subject: Re: hey
Date: Friday, 09/24/04 04:18 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Whether it be to inform the public or harass the assholes from PJ or .net I am with you!

Heidi
aka unicorn_spirit aka aztatgirl (on yahoo)

From: unicorn_spirit
To: chris
Subject: Re: I can use some help with this
Date: Wednesday, 09/29/04 05:08 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

I will be working on a letter off and on this week. I want to work on it for a few days to gather all my thoughts and make all the points I need to make about PJ intelligently. I am going to use Microsoft Office and will try and copy and send to you here when I get finished.

Anything I can do to help, just ask. You know I am here. I visit the site everyday (almost) and check my PMs.

Let Dodger know if there is anything I can do, just give me a yell!

Heidi

From: chris
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Great
Date: Wednesday, 09/29/04 11:03 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Thank you for your very gracious and appreciated pm and well-wishes

While this may not seem like much, at least it lets us regain some measure of control over a rather rough storm of events for almost two weeks now.

Again, Im sure youll come up with something well-put letterwise, and hope this can lead to a start of fortune reversals here,

On behalf of everyone here, I truly do thank you for sticking up for us at this time-Its a mark of TRUE character

Hope to hear from you before too much longer

Sincerely

chris

From: chris
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: I know the feeling now
Date: Monday, 10/04/04 05:45 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Hey Heidi

Well, they got me today-all info that kind of thing-Im a bit stunned, although Im not freaking out like I thought I would-Its killed me to shut up since the forums shut down, and its killing me that Im not shouting about this bs to the rest of the world-

Im not worried about myself-Ive got nothing incriminating in my past, no legal record of any kind, nothing. Theyll want to embarrass me, but Ive got a thick skin and I can take it

Ive got nothing but respect for you, Stef, Matt, and all the others who have been outed-I have no idea how bad this will get, although, thank God, its not a PJ bust

Anyway, I told my parents about whats going on, and they were very cool about it-njot freaked out at all-although my dad wants me to quit this issue entirely-I dont know what Ill do in that regards yet

Again, thanks for the letter you came up with-very well done, and now I have an even stronger incentive to see if it cant hit the mark somewhere

sincerely

chris

From: unicorn_spirit
To: chris
Subject: Re: I know the feeling now
Date: Tuesday, 10/05/04 03:13 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

I am so sorry to hear that they found a way to post some info on you. FUCK them! You know what? If you have done nothing that would jepoadize (Damn it! I can never spell that word!) then please dont let them bully you out of what you are doing. Thats the way that the Xaviers of the world get their damn way whether it be right or not. Just because they posted your info, does not mean you have to quit. Conviction means doing what you believe whether it is in the shadows or in the spotlight. I fucking hate bullies of any kind, and will not let them run my life and make me run from what I believe in. If you do end up leaving, believe me, I will fully understand. But I will remain in the shadows like I have to let everyone know what they do and how they go about it. I will not think any less of you if you decide to call it quits. I will understand and support your decision. But please let me know and I hope you will remain a friend and if you want I will give you my email address.

Love ya,
Heidi

From: unicorn_spirit
To: chris
Subject: Re: I know the feeling now
Date: Tuesday, 10/05/04 03:51 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

I am pissed too, and shall fight this bullshit tooth and nail.

send email to: tos_this_bytch@yahoo.com

From: chris
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: NEW YIM info
Date: Tuesday, 10/05/04 08:48 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Well, the kingcranky YIM is on the shelf

Say hello to hellspasses

Hope to talk with you in real time, and soon-

Again, I needed a boost of fire, and your letter really helped in that respect

sincerely

chris

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Dodger
Subject: I may owe CJ and you a apology
Date: Tuesday, 08/24/04 10:23 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

On the Picture Debate board what save_me quoted me as posting was not what I intended to be as he posted in response. I should have chosen my words more carefully. If you feel that my post there has hurt CJ, let me know and I will be more careful when I post. If you honestly feel that what I posted in reference to 20-25 yr old guys only on the net for a cyber fantasy and dont have any intention meeting that to whom he is chatting with is wrong and a detrimental post in the forums, I will publicly apologize in whatever forums or forums that you deem necessary.

My apologies,
unicorn_spirit

From: Dodger
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Re: I may owe CJ and you a apology
Date: Thursday, 08/26/04 03:50 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

You dont owe anyone an apology. It was quite obvious to anyone with a brain what you were attempting to say. Dont let those fools bother you by taking what you say out of context. We all recognize theyre doing it, and you dont have to worry about anyone looking at what you say negatively as a result. Most of us are much smarter than that. :-)

Dodger

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: I may owe CJ and you a apology
Date: Thursday, 08/26/04 03:54 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Wow! Thanks, Dodger. After I posted that I felt like I had opened mouth and inserted my foot and might have started a war. I suppose the term that like minds stick together which describes us and those at PJ.

Thanks, again

unicorn_spirit

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: Hey Dodger!
Date: Tuesday, 09/14/04 05:40 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Damn! I wish I had your patience, tolerance and wisdom. I have already blown it today in my posts. I am taking CJ.net off my damn bookmarks....

It just frustrates me to know that these same people are doing the work at PJ
and the old saying that a person can take on different personalities when using different IDs is bullshit.

I am beginning to try and do some research on internet vigilantes here in Arizona and will try and post anything I might find. Here in Arizona there is a news station that was in on that one bust with PJ and I would love to send them a email leading them to .net to show them exactly what the people that they mistakenly heralded as HEROS in that bust are in reality. But I know it wouldnt help any, so I wiped that thought out of my mind.

You and I both know there are so many 20-25 yr old guys out there that are getting harassed by the thugs at PJ when they had no intention whatsoever of meeting anyone from the net for sex, just for a little cyber lay. And call me strange, but personally, I think they are harmless. But to bait them and post info on them is unaceptable when no physical conatct whatsoever was made with a minor.

I know that I open my mouth and say things that I shouldnt sometimes, and please, if you ever have a problem with it, PM me.

Thanks

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: Hey Dodger!
Date: Tuesday, 09/14/04 06:02 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Since I know a little about you and have been here for awhile I feel that I can tell you a little about myself now. If you dont mind....LOL

My name is Heidi and I am in Arizona. I am a single mother that is 48 with three kids: a daughter who is 30 and married for one year now and twin boys that are 16 (ARRRRRRRRRRR). I am a machinist that does aerospace work....Blackhawk Helicopters, etc... Even though I am single I have been with a wonderful man 16 yrs my junior for 2 yrs now (Oh, my God! I am a female pedophile!...ha ha ha). He was 26 when he was struck with thyroid cancer and has a trach because he lost his voicebox too to cancer, and believe it or not, I met him on Yahoo.

Anyway...thats my life story basically...ha ha

Sorry to ruin your fantasy of me...LOLOL

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Dodger
Subject: Hi Dodger
Date: Saturday, 09/18/04 12:33 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Now I know how you feel with the constant BS about your name, addresss and family.

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Dodger
Subject: Can I get your help?
Date: Thursday, 09/23/04 03:29 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

I would like you to do me a favor. I am tired of .net making threats to people here. I would like you to let me know who to contact to make complaints about that site. I have had it with their bullshit!

Heidi

From: Dodger
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Re: Can I get your help?
Date: Thursday, 09/23/04 04:40 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Well, theres the rub... You cant complain to the company who host their site... Its owned by the same person who owns the site itself...

Normally, when a website engages in the kind of things theyre doing, you would complain to the company hosting them. As you can see, in this case that would be a waste of time.

Beyond that, Ive run out of ideas. (sigh)

Dodger

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: Can I get your help?
Date: Thursday, 09/23/04 04:44 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Okay...let me tell you what I did yesterday. I sent a email to Dateline about the program they are doing about PJ. I suggested that they visit CJ.net which is santioned by PJ. They may or may not do anything, but it was worth a shot anyway.

Heidi

P.S. I knew that the host site was the same people. I looked it up. Thats why I was asking for another venue to take.

From: Dodger
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Re: Can I get your help?
Date: Thursday, 09/23/04 04:48 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Ive been in touch with the producers of the Dateline program airing tomorrow. They contacted me yesterday. I also sent them info about .net. :-) Too bad they didnt see fit to reply back in July when I first mailed them, The PJ story theyre doing might have been been somewhat different had they taken the time to REALLY investigate.

Dodger

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: Can I get your help?
Date: Thursday, 09/23/04 05:14 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

I just sent this to the Phoenix New Times. I am tired of this shit:

When the article about Perverted-Justice.com came out in July and after some research I joined Corrupted-Justice.com which objects to the methods used by PJ. I wrote you a letter in July which was published and appreciated. Since becoming a member of CJ.com, a group of members of Perverted-Justice started a site (which by the way is owned by the host of PJ.com). This site is -www.corrupted-justice.net. Just because I became a member of CJ.com and post my views there, these members of the .net site have taken upon itself to post whatever personal information it can find about CJ members and posted nasty lies and personally degrading bullshit to entice others to try and phone, write, email, etc. these members of CJ. Names, addresses, phone numbers, information on land holdings or homes etc. are included in these posts that are made. If you check this site out be sure and click on the CJer Info forum and you will see that
my name is there with info that is true in some posts, but also includes a name, address, phone number and deed to a home that is not mine.

You will find that these people are not who they seem.

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Dodger
Subject: Dateline Post
Date: Sunday, 09/26/04 12:57 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

I was wondering also the same exact things that you were!

I have been posting on fuckedcompany.com. I had asked some of those SAME questions, and all I got was How was this PJs fault?

Amazing....PJ as usual gets the wheel in motion, but when it comes to actually getting the work done, they fall short.

Heidi

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Dodger
Subject: Post of conversation
Date: Monday, 09/27/04 04:23 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Xavier has posted his converation with Harv on his angryman site. Did know if you saw it yet.

Heidi

From: Dodger
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Re: Post of conversation
Date: Monday, 09/27/04 04:34 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

His conversation with Harv? Sorry, Im not too much in the loop on anything about AG and Harv... Readers Digest version?

Thanks :-)

Dodger

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: Post of conversation
Date: Monday, 09/27/04 04:37 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Sorry...I was in a hurry and wasnt clear. It is the conversation they had via IM concerning the way they helped find Kylie Taylor. How they did it...

Sorry,
Heidi

From: Dodger
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Re: Post of conversation
Date: Monday, 09/27/04 04:41 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Ahh. Thanks. :-)

Many things about CJBW, part 2

2008-03-21T23:00:00.000-07:00

Part two. Please read part one, here.

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Pinback
Subject: Hi there!
Date: Wednesday, 08/18/04 07:24 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Pinback...its aztatgirl. I talked to Dodger about my problems with assholes IMing me and we decided the best thing to do was to create this new ID. I got tired of the bullshit and one was particularly persistant and i think a troll on CJ.

aztatgirl aka unicorn_spirit

From: Pinback
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Re: Hi there!
Date: Wednesday, 08/18/04 07:30 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Very sorry to hear that you were being bothered.

I personally think 75% of the trolls that message here could be eliminated by removing some of the uneccesary flotsam found at CJ. I am currently working on that now with other CJ members and hope to bring about a more concise website that sticks to the facts and not the heresay.

Thanks,

Pinback

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Pinback
Subject: Re: Hi there!
Date: Wednesday, 08/18/04 07:33 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Good idea. I kinda stayed away for awhile just because I got tired of the bullshit. I am sure it is very hard to keep on track with all the trolls that feel they have to spew their bullshit and lies. I, for one, could not handle such a responsibilty with grace...LOL

From: unicorn_spirit
To: PJ Buster
Subject: AVSO
Date: Tuesday, 09/21/04 07:15 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Looks like some piece of shit from .net fucked with AVSOs forums. I cant get to them and someone there is boasting about closing it down!

-http://corrupted-justice.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=924

From: unicorn_spirit
To: PWAP
Subject: Ready when you are!
Date: Friday, 09/17/04 06:15 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Add me to your mailing list, PWAP.

PAYBACK IS A BITCH, AND I AM READY TO FUCKING PAYBACK!

Hee...Hee :twisted:

From: PWAP
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Re: Ready when you are!
Date: Saturday, 09/18/04 12:10 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Xavier Von Erck = Philip J. Eide

Spread the word.

From: unicorn_spirit
To: PWAP
Subject: Fuckers!
Date: Tuesday, 09/21/04 07:59 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

I want all .netters balls NOW!!! Whining and got the AVSO forums off? Fuck those pussy cocksuckers.

I say go to war!

unicorn_spirit

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Real Activist
Subject: Hey
Date: Saturday, 09/18/04 12:22 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

These assholes on .net are real scum, arent they? I guess I didnt realize that people would stoop so low as to try and get all the info on members like they do.

From: Real Activist
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: Saturday, 09/18/04 02:03 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

I only have a moment right now to respond, but I just got back online late last night, to a real mess.. (sigh) (I was gone all week due to where i live being in the path of Hurricane Ivan). I had Stef log in on my account once or twice while I was gone so noone would know I evacuated, so the PJers wouldnt know where I am located.
Yes, they are scum, and we are working on a project right now that hopefully will be able to bring it all to the attention of the FBI and my hope is to have them labeled legally as a domestic terrorist organization or at least legally labeled as vigilantes.
I am VERY sorry this has happened to you. I live in constant fear that I will be next. (sigh) And I can only do what i can to get them stopped so you can once again be safe.
If you get ANY harassment, threats, etc. from anyone due to them outting you, please PASS IT ONTO ME IMMEDIATELY.
I am here for you, and will continue to be, and will do all I can to help you and protect you from them.
Thanks for messaging me.

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Real Activist
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: Saturday, 09/18/04 03:44 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Thanks for your help. If I get anything harassing I will make sure either you or Dodger know about it. So far it has only been what the assholes have found on the net about me. If that is as far as it goes, I am not worried.

From: Real Activist
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: Tuesday, 09/21/04 08:33 AM
Status: Outbox of sender

I just wanted to drop you a little note to say that I am thinking about you and am hoping that you are doing alright and hoping that no harm has come due to the fools outting you.
I am privately supporting PWAP and Desertfox and helping to guide them in the right direction in finding some of the IDs that we have for the PJers. Also we are still working hard at providing information to lawyers, and news media to help get PJ shut down legally.
This whole drama/mess has not slowed us down in our mission to see PJ shut down legally and each one of them held responsible for their deeds.
I appreciate the fact that you have not run off, and that you still care enough about peoples rights and protecting children enough to stay around here.
Your voice is heard, and all of us truly care about you.
Thanks,
Real Activist

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Real Activist
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: Tuesday, 09/21/04 06:32 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Thanks for your concern, Real Activist, but I am alive and kicking on here and on AVSO. I needed a place to vent and found it there. I did not want to jepodize (sp) in any way, shape or form what CJ is doing. Trex knows my ID on there, and I his and we have been having a ball. I will continue to post on CJ and NOTHING will scare me away from what I believe in. If you ever get info that you would like me to try and research, let me know. I may not be able to do much, but would be proud to help in a ny small way that I can.

Unicorn_spirit aka aztatgirl aka DeathMistress (AVSO)

From: unicorn_spirit
To: Real Activist
Subject: AVSO
Date: Tuesday, 09/21/04 07:19 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Someone got to the forums on AVSO. I cant get to them and they are boasting about it on .net.

Fuckers...

unicorn_spirit

From: Real Activist
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: I am leaving CJ
Date: Wednesday, 09/22/04 12:28 AM
Status: Outbox of sender

Just wanted you to know, that I am next to be outted, and it more than likely will happen soon, so I am leaving CJ now, saving myself the heartache of watching as my life gets destroyed.
Just thought you should know. I will be logging back in tonight and tomorrow to get your response.
Thanks for being such a good friend, and I will try to stay in contact with you if that is alright.
Thanks,
matty

From: trekker_by_trade
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Im sorry
Date: Tuesday, 09/21/04 07:15 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Unicorn,

I am sorry about what those assholes posted about you on .net. I feel bad that they had to out you and say those horrible things about you. Dont listen to a single word of it. The AVSO already proved that many of these so-called perfect PJers have sordid lives that they wish not to mention, so it is only a matter of time before they get it for good.

Take care,

Trekker.

From: unicorn_spirit
To: trekker_by_trade
Subject: Re: Im sorry
Date: Tuesday, 09/21/04 07:43 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Yes, I am sure that any or present children this cretins have will be filled with hate and be nothing but a detriment to anything good in this world.

As you have read from my posts here, I too can be civil. But come at me with no provocation and I can be a nasty bitch as is proven by my posts on AVSO.

unicorn_spirit

From: trekker_by_trade
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Re: Bye
Date: Thursday, 09/23/04 06:34 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Unicorn,

I will never out you or say anything trashy about you or anyone else here. Any criticisms you read from me will NEVER be out of spite or hate.

I appreciate your understanding of my words, and as such am sorry if my words were not as you would have put them.

I stand by them, however.

Give RA my best. He needs a shoulder to lean on right now. He needs to seek someone who can help him get over the plagues of his past so he can try to have a normal future. I dont hate you or him. I am very shocked at what I have read today, and my leaving CJ.com is partly because of that.

Peace and long life,

Trekker.

P.S. This will be my final PM to anyone on CJ.com. Thanks for your message.

From: unicorn_spirit
To: VigilanteH8R
Subject: Its me...Unicorn
Date: Friday, 09/17/04 06:06 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

The .net assholes may say what they want...at least I dont hide who I am. The fucking chickenshits. I would love someone to make a site so we could let off some steam...ha ha

Thanks for the post, by the way.

From: VigilanteH8R
To: unicorn_spirit
Subject: Re: Its me...Unicorn
Date: Friday, 09/17/04 06:08 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

oh dont worry me and PWAP may be collaborating on a little something

From: unicorn_spirit
To: VigilanteH8R
Subject: Re: Its me...Unicorn
Date: Friday, 09/17/04 06:10 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Good! I dont want to piss Dodger or anyone else off by posting insults here.

Sign me up as soon as you guys are ready to go at it. Mother fuckers...I say its time for payback. :twisted:

From: CJ Black Widow
To: Dodger
Subject: Hello
Date: Thursday, 10/28/04 09:16 PM
Status: Inbox (read)

Hi Dodger,

Didnt want to interupt PWAP and yourself, and kind of felt like I was in on a private conversation, so thats why I opted to leave. Site looks great, and I will try to get on a little more.

CJ Black Widow

From: Dodger
To: CJ Black Widow
Subject: Re: Can you give me any details
Date: Tuesday, 11/02/04 01:28 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Hey BW!

Ive been in e-mail discussion with bdsm_dom2000 (The screen name he was busted under) since he was busted. Weve given him a bunch of info and gotten him in contact with a couple attorneys. He was VERY serious about going after them legally. I havent been in touch for a week or so, so I dont know how he made out, but it *appears* hes done *something* right to get taken down...

I just sent him an e-mail to see if hell let me in on the real story, but in the meantime, it might be interesting to see what Xavier has to say about it... Then, when bdsm_dom2000 gets back to me with his side, we can compare stories. :-)

So - His screen name was bdsm_dom2000 - If you just PM Xavier & ask him why the bust was removed and all followup stopped... Although Ill actually be surprised if you get an answer at all... :-)

Dodger

From: CJ Black Widow
To: Dodger
Subject: I cant PM Xavier
Date: Tuesday, 11/02/04 01:46 PM
Status: Inbox (read)

Fuck it...if he thinks I will IM him he is more of a wacko than I imagined. Too easy to get info on me if I did....LOL

From: CJ Black Widow
To: Dodger
Subject: Hey there Biker Trash...LOL
Date: Wednesday, 12/29/04 04:33 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

From one biker to another...great job! If its okay with you I will go ahead and continue posting the new info that is sensitive I find on PJ on that private forum. That way I will have less of a chance of getting nailed by PJ and banned.

Thanks again,

CJ Black widow

From: Dodger
To: CJ Black Widow
Subject: Re: Hey there Biker Trash...LOL
Date: Wednesday, 12/29/04 04:40 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Absolutely! I dont mind relaying the stuff that should be visible to the public into the General area. We need to keep that account of yours un-banned! :-)

You shouldnt have brough up the bike. (sigh) I was tempted to jump on it and fire it up in the garage this morning, just to hear the sound. (Just not the same effect when youre doing it with a parka and mitts on tho...) :-)

I may have asked you this before - I cant remember... What do you ride?

Dodger

From: CJ Black Widow
To: Dodger
Subject: Re: Hey there Biker Trash...LOL
Date: Wednesday, 12/29/04 04:47 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Ex had a Harley....lost that in divorce along with everything else....LOL

B/f would love to ride, but he had thyroid cancer 6 yrs ago and has a trach. He lost his voicebox in the surgery because the cancer had invaded it. They had to reconstruct his larynx. This means quite a bit of coughing at times and he is afraid of trying to ride with one hand if he had to. Cnat say I dont blame him. So now I go 4 wheeling instead. Nothing like a bike, but beats the hell out of sitting home...ha ha

From: CJ Black Widow
To: kissme4luck2
Subject: Re: Thank you!
Date: Tuesday, 12/14/04 03:59 AM
Status: Outbox of sender

I am sorry I havent been online much...I have a severe cold and hope it goes away soon.

From: CJ Black Widow
To: PJ Buster
Subject: Your permission
Date: Tuesday, 10/12/04 04:51 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Would you mind if I incorporated something you posted on StinkZone in a informative post I am making on AVSO? I will not use your ID...just want to use your words. It is about Harv (Del). I will not until I get your okay on it.

CJ Black Widow

From: PJ Buster
To: CJ Black Widow
Subject: Re: Your permission
Date: Tuesday, 10/12/04 06:17 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Yes of course. You are welcome to quote stuff I said publicly on stinkzone.

From: CJ Black Widow
To: PJ Buster
Subject: Re: Your permission
Date: Tuesday, 10/12/04 08:05 PM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

Thanks...Ill try and make ya proud!

From: PJ Buster
To: CJ Black Widow
Subject: I moved one of yours
Date: Monday, 12/06/04 02:04 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

I moved your New posts in followup to PJ FuFer IDs and renamed it to go0se - New posts in followup

From: CJ Black Widow
To: PJ Buster
Subject: Re: I moved one of yours
Date: Monday, 12/06/04 02:52 PM
Status: Inbox (read)

Thanks. You know that I am pretty new at trying to figure out where to put what. When I went on PJ and found those two busts and then came back on CJ, I didnt find them in bust info anywhere, so stuck it where I did.

Thanks again,

CJ Black widow

From: CJ Black Widow
To: PWAP
Subject: I got a question for you
Date: Friday, 11/05/04 04:04 AM
Status: Inbox (read)

For the last few days I have not been able to look at any of the superpatriot forums at all, especially PJ. When I click on the forums link in PJs main page
all I get is a blank page. I even tried all the other forums that I do not even look at on Montecello (popcult, etc..) and links from other sites and get the same damn thing. My question is this. Are they all down, or is something wrong here on my end. Seems that since I posted what I did on PJs forums, now I cant even get to the forum page. It finds the site, downloads and then I get a blank, but it says the page is done loading. Id appreciate any input on this.

CJ Black Widow

From: PWAP
To: CJ Black Widow
Subject: Re: I got a question for you
Date: Friday, 11/05/04 04:25 AM
Status: Outbox of sender

[quote:a721dd6624=CJ Black Widow]For the last few days I have not been able to look at any of the superpatriot forums at all, especially PJ. When I click on the forums link in PJs main page
all I get is a blank page. I even tried all the other forums that I do not even look at on Montecello (popcult, etc..) and links from other sites and get the same damn thing. My question is this. Are they all down, or is something wrong here on my end. Seems that since I posted what I did on PJs forums, now I cant even get to the forum page. It finds the site, downloads and then I get a blank, but it says the page is done loading. Id appreciate any input on this.

CJ Black Widow[/quote:a721dd6624]

Are you using a proxy to get to the site?

The site works fine for me.

Try using a different browser maybe? Or empty your cache?

From: CJ Black Widow
To: PWAP
Subject: Re: I got a question for you
Date: Friday, 11/05/04 04:34 PM
Status: Inbox (read)

Its really weird...Fox told me how to use a proxy and I still couldnt get it to work. Today I did get farther into the website though, but I cant even log out. Still getting blank pages when I click on a ceratin forum, log-out page, etc...

From: Stef
To: CJ Black Widow
Subject: Re: your gonna love this!
Date: Friday, 12/10/04 07:31 AM
Status: Outbox of sender

Hey, no problem.. I just wanted to make sure all is well, and I know how crazy yahoo can be!
As for Erinyes, well apparently that person and I am leaning towards it being a she, asked or told someone she was researching both death women on AVSO, and she had found some already found stuff on us, and was working on more.....I dont wanna say who told me, until they get all they can from the net crowd , which so far is only bits and pieces. But hey its a start! I do beleive the person who gave me the information though, no doubt they are truthful. Ill say more when I can.

"No one here met their spouse on line when she was 16 either" ~ SupremeJustice

2008-03-19T00:13:00.000-07:00

For once, SupremeJustice isn't lying (as far as we know, anyway). It's a rare day when she can spout out a line and have it be true.

After all, when Jay Berg/SonofaGun started a (predatory) "relationship" with his wife, she wasn't sixteen. She was fifteen. He was 39.

My source on this is Berg himself (screenshots available, as always):

As you might tell from our wedding picture above, we're a bit unique. Just a few of the highlights of our oddities:

* We've 24 1/2 years between our ages. At the time of our wedding, Michelle had just turned 18 and I was 42. Currently, I'm 47 and Michelle is 23.
* Both of us hope to eventually establish a polyamorist family. However, we've had difficulty in finding the right people to establish such a family. (Click here to learn about polyamorism)
* Both of us enjoy the freedom of having various playmates. Both sexual playmates, as well as non-sexual. Life is too short to not have fun!
* Also, both of us enjoy a D/s lifestyle. Michelle is capable of switch (both Domme and sub), whereas I'm strictly Dom oriented.

Just a little background information on the two of us.

The two of us started dating just before her 16th birthday. We got married in Reno just after her 18th birthday.

If you're not quite disgusted enough yet, this is Jay Berg. He couldn't be a bigger creep or stereotypical pedophile if he tried:

And here he is, on a horse. He used riding pictures on his online profiles. Why? A really high percentage of young girls like horses and ponies. As a typical predator, this is a pretty simple tactic on his part. If you read the chatlog between him and a Perverted Justice contributor from 2004, you'll see that he uses it right from the beginning.

In other words, it's just more CJ.com spin.

When I posted Berg's chatlog, CJ Black Widow left a comment about how she had no real idea that SOAG is Jay Berg and a PJ bust. She also made a note about how he wasn't convicted, regardless. I guess one can presume that CJBW doesn't meet the same level of clearance that SupremeJustice has obtained?

To clear the air on this issue, a source gave me access to private correspondence between Scott Morrow, Berg, and CJBW from the time Berg joined CJ.com (screenshots available, as always). Let us take a look (as an important sidenote, please take general notice of CJ.com's interference with criminal cases, doing their darndest to make sure predators aren't convicted by law enforcement - in the same post that I've taken the title quote from, SJ also stated "No one here interferes with police investigations"):

From: SonOfAGun
To: Dodger
Subject: Contact attempts
Date: Saturday, 10/16/04 10:47 AM
Status: Inbox (read), Outbox of sender

As a recent PJ bust, I received two contact emails claiming to be from Corrupted-Justice with recommendations on what to do about it. Given that the reply addresses were to Yahoo mail accounts, I did not feel comfortable replying. Instead I sent replies to the admin@ mail account here on the CJ site. In addition I have sent a third email to the same address asking for contact information for the primary California attorney mentioned in one CJ web page. However I have yet to receive a single reply to any of the three emails sent.

I am quite annoyed with the PJ tactics and have little reason to fear their retribution - and thus am quite motivated to take legal steps (assuming financial capability to do so).

I have discovered an Oakland (California) based attorney named Dennis Roberts who represented a recent PJ bust. Given his knowledge of the PJ situation, I am currently in the process of arranging a meeting with him. If this is the CJ primary California attorney, then all to the better.

Please be aware that if I retain Dennis Roberts to undertake legal action against PJ and/or PJ members, he will undoubtably be in contact with CJ requesting information. Since CJ makes reference to such information being available for accredited attorneys, I do hope that aid will be forthcoming.

J. Berg

Dodger replies:

From: Dodger
To: SonOfAGun
Subject: Re: Contact attempts
Date: Saturday, 10/16/04 12:06 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Hi SonOfAGun

My apologies for not replying immediately to your e-mail. Weve had some security issues here which I have been busy with of late.

Yes, Dennis Roberts is DEFINATELY the one to speak with regarding this matter. He is quite familiar with PJ, and also has direct access to all the information we have. He is an exceptionally fair man, and has some personal stake in the PJ problem.

The e-mails you have recieved from Yahoo accounts are likely from one of our members, but with some of the stunts being pulled lately by PJ, it would not be surprising for you to receive mail from them pretending to be one of us. Be very cautious.

I will speak with our contact people and ensure from this point that they use their corrupted-justice.com e-mail addresses (they all have them..) In the meantime, if you could provide me with a little more information about your case, It would help use to assist you. The screen name you were busted under, for example. Were you contacted by telephone by any of our members? (Generally, they attempt to call & leave voicemail in addition to the e-mail they send)

Please let Dennis know youve contacted me, and hell get back to me as required.

Dodger

Dodger then gets in touch with Heidi, who of course has never heard anything at all about Berg and SOAG!

From: Dodger
To: CJ Black Widow
Subject: Re: Can you give me any details
Date: Tuesday, 11/02/04 01:28 PM
Status: Outbox of sender

Hey BW!

Ive been in e-mail discussion with bdsm_dom2000 (The screen name he was busted under) since he was busted. Weve given him a bunch of info and gotten him in contact with a couple attorneys. He was VERY serious about going after them legally. I havent been in touch for a week or so, so I dont know how he made out, but it *appears* hes done *something* right to get taken down...

I just sent him an e-mail to see if hell let me in on the real story, but in the meantime, it might be interesting to see what Xavier has to say about it... Then, when bdsm_dom2000 gets back to me with his side, we can compare stories. :-)

So - His screen name was bdsm_dom2000 - If you just PM Xavier & ask him why the bust was removed and all followup stopped... Although Ill actually be surprised if you get an answer at all... :-)

Dodger

Of course, the bust was only temporarily removed due to Perverted Justice dealing with law enforcement. It had nothing to do with legal threats from Berg, and everything to do with positive contact from law enforcement on the case. However, when Berg was eventually not charged, the log was re-posted (until all unconvicted busts were removed in November of 2006). Berg never had any success legally against Perverted-Justice.com, it was all just bluster, and since Perverted Justice won't publish his chatlog and information anymore, we will instead.

So please, please, please tell us again that you don't host any predators? SOAG is one of your inner circle. He's been active since 2004. You know every damn thing I've written here, and all you do is open yourselves up to look like fools.

..................................................................

To end, I'll respond to the claim that SupremeJustice was actually making when she made that statement (as otherwise, CJBW will pop in and say "WUT BOUT XAVIERS!?"). SupremeJustice's comment refers to Erika and Xavier Von Erck, who, for those of you who don't know, are married. They are 24 and 28 years old, respectively. Sound the alarms? I guess if this is a moral issue for SupremeJustice, she must really be disgusted with Berg.

I decided to ask Erika directly. While I'm sure it won't "settle" the issue for a psychotic like SupremeJustice, she was apparently the original source for SupremeJustice's statement to begin with. Let me roll my eyes in anticipation of her no longer being a good source.

Re: CJ.com silliness
Erika Von Erck [ e-mail address removed ]
To: Judith Bennett [ pretztail1@yahoo.com ]
Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:02:58 PM

Judith,

Not a problem, I don't mind responding to that. She made that statement
based on something I wrote (so it's my fault! :) ), but she is, of
course, twisting it to the extreme. Xavier and I never "met online" when
I was 16. I came across him in Lycos chatrooms a few times when I was
16-17. I thought he was an arrogant asshole, never directly spoke to him
(through PMs or IMs or what have you), and usually tended to leave
shortly after he entered a room because it would just become a
flame-war. It's kind of amusing to think about. I didn't like him, and he
didn't even know I was female, let alone my age, as we didn't interact
then. "AngryGerman" just happened to be memorable, which is why I made a
statement to the effect of "knowing" him for several years. No one else
on the forums, aside from Phoebus, had come across him THAT long ago.

That was a bit long-winded, but to make a long story short, we didn't
start talking until after I was 18, and my opinion of him (obviously)
changed. And it was entirely platonic until I was almost 22. So yeah,
Supreme Justice can make hay of that all day long, if she wants.
She can share the hay with Heidi. Some of them have said I was a
contributor as well before I was 18, despite the fact that I'm Canadian
and I turned 18 in 2001 (and have never been a contributor).
Brilliant minds, over there.

I'll keep an eye out for your blog, and feel free to share my comments
on this, of course.

Have a nice afternoon,

Erika Von Erck

Judith Bennett wrote:
> Hello Erika,
>
> I have a quick question for you about an article I'm writing for the
> .Net blog. I haven't been able to catch you online, or I would have
> messaged you on Yahoo. I hope you don't mind if the question is
> personal, but it's about addressing the claim SupremeJustice made that
> you and Xavier met online when you were 16 (he would have been 20?
> 21?). I won't take any offense if you wish to ignore their usual
> stupidity, but I'm writing about the fact that SOAG started dating his
> wife when she was 15 (he was around 40), making SJ's statement more
> than a little pathetic.
>
> If you have anything to add that clarifies her claim, let me know, as
> I honestly have no clue.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Judith

(Please forgive the spacing of the emails. Apparently copying from Yahoo's interface doesn't work too well, but since it's readable, I see no real reason to tamper with the formatting. And if anyone else has any good research done on Berg for the sake of updates, please feel free to contact me, as always).

Xavier Von Erck Brings The Funny

2008-03-16T22:54:00.000-07:00

Whether you're new to this site, or you've been here a while, Von Erck definitely brings the funny with his recent blog. Worth a read, he systematically highlights a variety of the hilariously unfounded accusations and claims made by Corrupted Justice in 2004.

You know, like how "No PJ bust will ever be arrested, ever, never, ever!!!!" Ahem, 268 convictions posted so far. Or a personal favorite of mine - The "Actually, they will all go to jailasaurus, Fred Flintstone" category...

But don't take my word for it, go check out his blog yourself.

"We have retaken the airport. There are NO Americans there." ~ Dodger

2008-03-16T20:31:00.000-07:00

Among us, it goes without saying that Scott Morrow isn't an especially intelligent man. Worse yet, he's also a delusional man. He's also a liar. He's also a hypocrite. He's also a lot of things that aren't pleasant or complimentary.

So it's another day, and this is another presentation of just how stupid and delusional Scott Morrow is:

Dodger
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:00 pm

[...irrelevancy removed...]

I've been on the Internet since before there was an Internet. I've been involved deeply with this cause for over 4 years. I've witnessed the best and the worst of people, but I have yet to see this huge organized cadre of pedophiles taking over the Internet in an effort to band together to more effectively molest our children.

Like the satan worshiper scare, my experience and common sense tells me that this is simply a case of more panic being driven by immature drama-lovers. Are there some actual pedophiles out there using the Internet? Certainly. There were also very likely some satan worshipers too... Is the problem deserving of the level of panic evident in articles like this?

Absolutely not!

(I know, I know... The only way I could possibly hold such an opinion is because I must be one of those pedophiles trying to "cover his tracks" right? Or maybe I'm actually a satan worshiper... Hmmmmm)

Dodger

http://www.corrupted-justice.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9159

Well, Scott, here's a list:

You might not like the source, but hey, they all have links and you can go visit them yourself. Isn't that peachy? There are usenet groups, there's newgon.com, there's Girlchat, there's Boychat, there's Boybliss, there's BoyMoment, there's BoysMagicWorld, there's VisionsofAlice, there used to be Butterfly Kisses, there used to be a bunch that Perverted Justice got shut down in 2006. That's just the tip of the iceberg and few of them are "new." Perverted Justice exists today because of the Danish Pedophile Association (aka DanPedo), and that was five years ago. But yeah, you've never seen the organized pedophile movement.

The hilarious thing about your statement is that descriptions of the pedophile movement come from themselves. They describe themselves as a movement. They've declared their goals, both short-term and long-term. They have leaders. They have factions. They claim to be growing. Some claim to have growing success (and tout your website as an ally).

When you claim such things don't exist, you're denying what the pedophile organizations say about themselves far moreso than you refute what the PJFI says, or AbsoluteZero says, or what crazy people like Petra Luna say. You're also denying reality. While the pedophiles are delusional when they believe that their movement will some day result in mainstream acceptance of pedophilia... one cannot realistically deny that there are many, many organized pedophiles out there.

Of course, from this non-existent cadre of pedophile organizations, several have now been arrested on various charges due to the work of Wikisposure.com. All of the arrests were found with boatloads of child pornography (non-offenders, indeed). In the case of the double arrests of Harold Spurling (Aztram) and Jeffrey Brissom (Night Raven), a baby was saved. Well, not in time to save her from being raped by two adult men (and taped as it happened), but she was saved all the same.

Thanks to Wikisposure.com. Not thanks to you and your den of RSOs, pedophiles, child predators, RSO-defenders like CJBW, and the various pathetic sadsack hangers-on.

Corrupted-Justice.com's new "victim of PeeJ" and ally: 420chan.org

2008-03-14T02:02:00.000-07:00

Originally posted on February 17, 2007 by CJ.net Administration.

Normally I backdate archived posts but reading this article is required for a blog that'll appear in the coming days. Now on to the older piece:

Corrupted-Justice.com's new "victim of PeeJ" and ally: 420chan.org

There are times when CJ.com is so blatantly full of crap that you just don't even know where to start. Such is the case with their new article, "Perverted-Justice owner organizes harassment of an innocent Mom."

Over the last few days a website called 420chan.org has been harassing everyone from a racist named Hal Turner, to a website called "happytreefriends" to random Myspace minors. They set their sights on Perverted-Justice.com, thinking that they would be able to knock out the website. They have failed in their attempt, massively. CJ.com though, always spots an opportunity.

Now, you would "figure" that CJ.com would be hateful of 420chan.org. I mean, let's recount all of their claims against Perverted-Justice.com...

-"They're anonymous!" - CJ.com loves to scream that about Perverted-Justice.com, though it's never been true. 420chan.org calls themselves "anonymous" as a group when they launch web attacks.

-"They harass people!" - Again, another old "stand-by" of CJ.com in their attacks on PJ.com. 420chan.org openly revel in harassing people with their site.

-"They're all young punks who play video games!" - How many times have they said that about PJ.com administration? Administrators at 420chan.org are all young people who are gamers as well.

-"They expose people to pornography!" - How many times has CJ.com complained about the Wankers page? 420chan.org hosts drawn and actual child pornography. They host screencaps of underage females on their Stickam pages and have pornography all throughout their website. A large percentage of their "anonymous" are also underage.

We can go on and on, and well... on!

First, let's cover the CJ.com claims.

Morrow/CJ.com says

A recent posting was made by a 15-year old boy on one of the many Internet blogs and websites critical of perverted-justice's vigilante tactics.

First, 420chan is not "critical" of Perverted-Justice's "vigilante tactics." They attack websites for, as they say, "the lulz." Note that Morrow was smart enough not to LINK exactly what he's talking about. He's talking about the "invasion" area of 420chan.org. Since he wasn't nice enough to link you, the reader, we will!

(First, two warnings: This website features drawn child pornography which is illegal in Canada and some countries in Western Europe. Second, this website features different campaigns of harassment, usually against minors) : -420chan.org

Read it well. Then go read CJ.com's new main page article. Then go back and read 420chan.org/i/.

Read one, then read the other.

What is Morrow on? Does he seriously think readers will not go "WTF" at him after reading the actual website he is defending?

Morrow/CJ.com says

Xavier Von Erck's vigilante machine immediately swung into action. Rather than contacting police, their hosting company, Internet security professionals, etc., Von Erck, in a perfect example of his typically sophomoric response to such things, initiates a "call to action" against those he has decided are responsible. Von Erck decides to orchestrate a harassment-attack - not on the boy who suggested the leech-attack on perverted-justice - but against the 18-year-old owner of the blog upon which the suggestion was posted.

Lies abound. First, reports were made to Canada's cybertipline as well as their internet fraud tipline. Second, the hosting company (located in France) has also been notified. Third, "Internet security professionals"... Yeah, you can tell how full of it Morrow is in this particular writing.

The owner of the blog is a 19 year old named Aubrey Cottle. His phone number is listed as contact on the Registrar listing of 420chan.org. He posts on 420chan.org as Kirtaner. Morrow suggests throughout the article that Kirtaner has NOTHING to do with the attacks on Perverted-Justice.com! Nothing! However, prior to Perverted-Justice.com finding out about the pending attack, Kirtaner had posted multiple times in the very same thread. Lastly, check out these IRC logged conversations...

10:01 [ Kirtaner] Perverted Justice front page still offline
10:01 [ LaughingBoy] PeeJ forum: "The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later."
10:01 [ Isorn] PJ forum has my IP banned
10:01 [ LongcatXIII] SUP NIGGAS
10:01 [ Isorn] and I cant imagine why exactly
10:01 -!- mode/#420chan [+o LongcatXIII] by FBI
10:01 [ conq] I get 404's on their page
10:01 [ Isorn] since I didnt even attack their fruity little site
10:01 [ Kirtaner] LongcatXIII: PJ forums are dying and front page is dead
10:01 [ Napalm_Penguin] redvines+mr.pib= crazy delicous
10:02 [ LongcatXIII] hahahaha
10:02 [ LongcatXIII] goooood
10:02 [ LongcatXIII] goooood
10:02 [ conq] I see pj.com dead?
10:02 [ OQ0O] wtf
10:02 [ OQ0O] is there a raid on pj
10:02 [ conq] ....
10:02 [ conq] murk loar
10:02 [ conq] lurk moar
10:02 [ OQ0O] i haven't been keeping up
10:02 -!- OQ0O was kicked from #420chan by LongcatXIII [gtfo]
10:02 -!- puroman77 [puroman77modemcable204.191-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit]
10:03 [ LaughingBoy] HAHAH OH WOW
10:03 [ conq] And alex thought we would lose to a few crusading parents.
10:03 -!- OQ0O [edpool-72-87-38-150.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #420chan
10:03 [ Kirtaner] YOU DO NOT FUCK WITH ANONYMOUS

Yes, the 18 year old he defends is Kirtaner. A person that runs a website full of anonymous well, hey, call them "vigilantes" that go around attacking people because they think it is funny. This is who Scott Morrow defends. Scott Morrow is defending anonymous internet harassment gangs against a group that works with law enforcement to have internet predators put in jail. What more do you really need to know?

Here, have more.

10:06 [ conq] perverted justice just got FAST ?
10:06 [ Kirtaner] yeah
10:06 [ Kirtaner] i was about to say
10:06 [ Kirtaner] REGROUP
10:06 [ Kirtaner] REGROUP
10:06 [ Kirtaner] REGROUP
10:07 [ OQ0O] oh god, that fetus-fucking picture
10:07 [ LongcatXIII] lol
10:07 [ Kirtaner] http://www.superpatriot.net/monticello/showthread.php?t=40596
10:07 [ Kirtaner] AHAHAHA
10:07 [ Kirtaner] CLICK
10:07 [ Kirtaner] (hint: it redirects to 420chan)
10:07 [ LaughingBoy] SWEET JESUS WTF
10:08 [ LongcatXIII] why dies ot redirect?
10:08 [ OQ0O] oh
10:08 [ Token] i got permission to use a few dozen more megabits in my attack from my network admin (i love how the datacenter im in is run by /b/tards)

Or more...

10:23 [ OQ0O] i'm not a legal expert, i don't have any justification
10:23 [ OQ0O] but i dopn't see how this is different
10:23 [ OQ0O] from the cases where people did get arrested
10:23 [ Pyrometheus] that was DDoS, right?
10:24 [ Pyrometheus] if it were possible to get arrested for this, you could get arrested if hundreds of millions of people suddenly wanted to access their forums, by popularity, and they couldn't cope
10:24 [ OQ0O] especially wheny ou're dedicating 300mbits towards the same site
10:24 [ OQ0O] at the very least, that's pretty obvious intent
10:25 [ Kirtaner] i'm sure the datacenter would deny all accusations
10:25 [ Isorn] people are going to whine about the intention
10:25 [ Kirtaner] considering they condone it

In this next one, Topcat (Aka Token, the owner of Deadfrog.us) and Kirt discuss Topcat's usage of his website server in order to try to knock Perverted-Justice.com down.

10:54 [ Topcat] i just started wgetting the hell out of xavier's profile page, only using .4mbit and the site wont respond on this connection
10:54 [ Topcat] and the batch ended.. it loads again
10:55 [ Kirtaner] yeah
10:55 [ Kirtaner] we've noticed that
10:55 [ Kirtaner] the servers can handle file loads fine
10:55 [ Topcat] definitely target the hell out of that
10:55 [ Kirtaner] it's when you're loading pages (php)
10:55 [ Kirtaner] that it shit itself
10:55 [ Fabrique] The front page is down
10:56 [ Topcat] yep, wgetting the hell out of the profile pages now (near 1000 sockets)
10:56 [ Kirtaner] yeah
10:56 [ Kirtaner] that did it
10:56 [ Topcat] go for the profile pages!
10:56 [ Kirtaner] The server at perverted-justice.com is taking too long to respond

Oh, but this POOR kid and his POOR mother. Let's quote Morrow some more in his oh-so-utterly-disgusting empathy for Kirtaner (Aubrey Cottle of Toronto, Ontario, Canada).

Morrow/CJ.com says

Xavier Von Erck is now calling for the active harassment by telephone of the person who owns some website where a 15-year-old boy has suggested a leech-attack against perverted-justice.com. As if the initiation of personal harassment weren't repugnant enough, with each additional post in the thread, the true colors of the owner, staff and members of perverted-justice begin to shine through.

Senior PJ staffers and members begin to participate in ceaseless IMs, e-mails and phone calls directed at "Kirt", the 18-year-old owner of the website. Please keep in mind - "Kirt" has done nothing at this point but own the website.

Sure Scott, sure. Of course, anyone can view the PeeJ-attack thread at this URL (no longer active) (Warning again, drawn child pornography on that page) See if you can pick out the CJ.com member postings in this thread. This is what CJ.com defends and participates in.

Morrow/CJ.com says

One senior PJer posts an ad on Craigslist - a website with hundreds of thousands of regular viewers - pretending to be Noreen and publicly posting a sexually-charged message containing her phone number with a solicitation to call her at all hours of the day or night.

No link, no naming of that senior member. Also, no explanation of where they got such information from. Usual "Burned down the Reichstag" stuff from Morrow and his ilk.

Morrow then expresses more sympathy for Kirtaner, his new buddy.

Morrow/CJ.com says

Not content with the current efforts at terrorizing these completely innocent people, PJ member "Shadow Watcher" now begins efforts to have FLYERS distributed in their neighborhood! Again, remember now - "Kirt" merely owns the website where a 15-year-old posted a suggested bandwidth leech-attack on perverted-justice. Noreen is the site-owner's mother, who had absolutely nothing to do with any of this, and now they are suggesting accusatory flyers?!

Flyers pointing out that a person in the area enjoys drawn child pornography and launches routine web-attacks against random people? Oh no!

Morrow goes on and on about how PeeJ members are "harassing" the mother. But where is the evidence of this harassment? The mother is the person who FUNDS the lifestyle of Kirtaner and his website in general. The very idea that she has no role in the routine attacks 420chan.org perpetrates is silliness.

Morrow/CJ.com says

After two full days of harassment and terrorization of a completely innocent 18 year old webmaster and his mother, after literally pages and pages of bragging and descriptions of the terrorization tactics used by perverted-justice members, one member of perverted-justice's upper echelon finally convinced Von Erck that they were engaged in completely unacceptable behavior that was far too revealing of how perverted-justice does business. Von Erck then locks down and moves the thread in order to cover up the true bloodthirsty nature of this vigilante group.

Oh wow, Perverted-Justice.com removed the campaign themselves and Morrow tries to make hay out of it! Way to show how Perverted-Justice.com are all "bloodthirsty vigilantes!" Morrow's verbiage again of completely innocent is so idiotic that it is shocking.

Look at...

11:03 [ Topcat] i knocked deadfrog out, woops
11:03 [ Kirtaner] hahaha
11:03 [ Kirtaner] wtg
11:03 [ LaughingBoy] I have 15 wgets going on. All of them stuck on the 7mb PDF. Dataforce is doubling.
11:03 -!- Trendkill [IceChat782.211.199.27] has left #420chan []
11:03 [ Topcat] go for the php pages, thats what chokes their server the most
11:04 [ Kirtaner] yeah laughingboy leave the pdf alone go for profile pages
11:04 [ Kirtaner] anything php

The poor...

11:29 [ Kirtaner] people using tor for this = retarded
11:29 [ Kirtaner] 1) they've already blocked tor
11:29 [ Kirtaner] 2) tor slows it down exponentiall
11:29 [ Kirtaner] y
11:29 -!- johnthebaptist7900 [johnthebapppp-70-247-164-52.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit]
11:29 -!- johnthebaptist7900 [johnthebapppp-70-247-164-52.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #420chan
11:29 [ conq] meant tor for portscan kirt.
11:30 [ LaughingBoy] I'm wgetting these php files: They're never fully downloaded, it get's to ~20kb and stops before going to the next file and doing the same.
11:30 [ Fabrique] Don't use tor guys, it overloads the ciruits
11:31 [ sillyhead] can someone post php list
11:32 [ LaughingBoy] sillyhead: http://disc.420chan.org/i/res/4640.html#5487
11:32 [ LaughingBoy] just use that
11:32 [ sillyhead] ty
11:33 [ Fabrique] Every time I open it.. it closes itself
11:34 [ Pyrometheus] did "double the dataforce" come about from raids on hal?
11:34 [ LaughingBoy] I believe so.
11:34 [ LaughingBoy] Fabrique: You're not just opening the wget.exe are you?
11:35 [ Fabrique] No, I saved the text in that post as a .bat and opened it
11:35 [ Kirtaner] Topcat: is it can be reboot tiem

Innocent...

11:37 [ Topcat] nope, the datacenter admin was off today and has to drive to the dc to ficks
11:37 [ Kirtaner] ahahaha oh no
11:37 [ Kirtaner] how long will it be
11:37 what
11:37 -!- anon [yourpool-72-66-99-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #420chan
11:37 [ Kirtaner] MrAnnonymous: he ran too many wgets and knocked deadfrog offline
11:37 [ Topcat] prolly another 15 mins
11:38 lol
11:38 [ hellhouse] how do we attack now? all the files get "connection reset by peer"....
11:38 [ Kirtaner] ok because we're all launching the next attack wave at 15:00 420chan server time
11:38 [ Kirtaner] 20 minutes or so
11:38 [ Topcat] you know im in :)

Webmaster.

Now, our question is this. How can anyone say that Corrupted-Justice.com is credible anymore? You have them on record defending "anonymous", a group of people who go around attacking other websites and individuals for absolutely no reason other than their sense of humor. This is what Corrupted-Justice.com defends. This is what Scott Morrow defends. They defend 420chan.org/i/. They defend invasions, bandwidth leeching, DDoS attacks and organized harassment while attacking Perverted-Justice.com for responding to all these attacks themselves.

How can anyone look at them with anything more than a hate site towards Perverted-Justice.com? In all situations, if you were to ever believe CJ.com's mission statement and verbiage, this is the situation where logically that Morrow would have CONDEMNED the attacks on Perverted-Justice.com, he would have stepped up and said that Kirtaner IS a bad person. However no, because Kirtaner is AGAINST Perverted-Justice.com, THAT particular 18 year old druggie, gamer and webmaster is GOOD... while Xavier, the 27 year old webmaster of a website which results in the arrests of internet sexual predators is BAD.

How can anyone, with a straight face, ever take Morrow seriously now?

Answer: They can't.

Time to update your site, kids. PART II

2008-03-13T21:43:00.000-07:00

They said they don't read over here.

I find it hard to believe because I really like what they've done to the place.

Roman619 fails at announcements

2008-03-12T15:20:00.001-07:00

Roman619
March 6, 2008

Resourceforarecourse.com Launched

This is the Survivor's Database (maintained by Del) that was a project in the works discussed a while back.

http://www.resourceforarecourse.com

Of course, Resourceforarecourse.com launched on February 4th. Roman619 was a full month behind with his little announcement. Next he'll be telling us that the Perverted Justice Foundation is now a non-profit, that Dateline might run a series of stings called To Catch a Predator, and that Perverted-Justice.com will never, ever get a conviction (that'd be a fun blast from the past).

I would also like to note that Roman's thread has no replies. Nothing you can really say about that site, is there CJ.com? A database of resources for people in abusive situations? Come on, you can come up with something. Bring out some false accusations about the Survivor Forums or Stories and Advice, anything, however irrelevant it might be to... a database of support groups and legal information. Hurry up and make the forum about it, Morrow. It'll be hoppin'.

Time to update your site, kids.

2008-03-10T18:47:00.000-07:00

Corrupted-Justice.com has undergone few changes since it launched in 2004. Accordingly, what was bullshit then is frequently outright laughable today. For example, the following claptrap was written back in 2004. It features some quotes from various people, ranging from law enforcement to private sector idiots who consider putting child predators in jail a competition. In this "article," officials from Wayne County, Michigan feature fairly prominently in all their 2004-glory.

And so today, I share an article of my own:

Attorney General Mike Cox says authorities have arrested 27 internet sex predators -- in one Wayne County township.

DETROIT -- Attorney General Mike Cox, Wayne County Sheriff Warren Evans and Van Buren Township Police Chief Gerry Champagne today announced that 27 individuals have been arrested as part of a joint proactive Internet Child Predator sting conducted March 7th, 8th and 9th in Wayne County's Van Buren Township.

All but one of the 27 defendants arrested are from Michigan, and all are male, including a physician. They range in age from 19 to 57, the average age being 30. Four individuals arrived via taxi cab, one individual was dropped off by his sister, one biked from Ypsilanti in 15-degree weather and one drove to the decoy home on a flat tire that was shredded by the time of arrival.

[... can be read at link ...]

The joint Internet Predator Sting also involved the use of a volunteer non-profit partner known as Perverted Justice to communicate with alleged predators, and a video/audio surveillance company, Investigative Mechanics. Perverted Justice has conducted more than 20 similar sting operations nationwide. All chats comport with the Michigan Rules of Evidence.

Wayne County... and the Attorney General of Michigan... working with Perverted-Justice.com to catch 27 men... and they plan to catch many more due to the work of Perverted-Justice? And everything comports with the Michigan rules of evidence? Oh say it isn't so!

Not much else to say, honestly. Another 27 predators off the street, with plenty more to come. Great work, Perverted-Justice, Wayne County, and the state of Michigan!

Fresh Pedo Speak at the Den

2008-03-10T18:26:00.000-07:00

It has been a while since the pedos and enablers over at Morrow's Hideaway have given anything new and fresh to rip apart. I'd like to personally thank Zman (not just a token RSO, but 1 of many) for starting this thread.

RATEMYCOP.COM WEBSITE NOW OPEN

ZMAN

RateMyCop.com

Funny how sex offenders it's ok, but when cops are on the web, it's a security risk. Hmm, if it's good for sex offenders, it's good enough for everyone else as well, IMO.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49c_1205129695

Yeah it's funny those who risk their lives everyday to protect those that ZMAN "flashes" (wink wink) have to now put their lives on the line by having their info posted. Yet it's a shame to do it do someone who's idea of a good time is playing "find the weiner" with a child.

SHINZON76

Well, the cops are just going to have to put up with it. The fact that they work for the police department is public information, and expressing opinions about the performance of public employees is certainly protected speech. It will require a constitutional amendment to get rid of it.

I have no disagreement of this statement, however the fact that it's posted with a "I hope you get yours" attitude just because his pedo friends are posted for child raping or attempt of such makes this enabler one of the reasons Zman and Sonofagun continue to prey in the community.

Sonofagun - Jay Berg

That's not quite true. Several states have passed laws forbidding any identifying information to be spread regarding elected officials. It wouldn't require much more for them to add in any government official, including police officers.

Freedom of Information laws do not address the issue of posting personal information regarding officials. It only addresses things such as what the officials do in the course of their elected office.

Scott Morrow

As far as I'm concerned, what's good for elected officials is good for the public - If they want to enact additional laws forbidding personal information from being published without the permission of the owner, why limit it to protecting a specific group? Such a law should exist to protect EVERYONE.
Dodger

This is the best post, because it's by the head pedo enabler Scott Morrow. (How can you tell the head enabler? Kneepads) Comes right out and states that elected officials should have to be treated the same as child rapists, pedophiles, and internet predators.

Sonofagun - Jay Berg

Ah, but you see, law makers are in a special class. They can define the laws to suit themselves while ignoring reality.

That reminds me of the time that a law was proposed to make PI equal to 3.0 rather than a non-repeating irrational value.

Wrong. They laws are to protect the innocent. The guys listed on the S.O. lists are not innocent. They are far from it. Posting their information helps lower the chances of them being able to reoffend, IF ... IF... IF people are aware enough to know how to use the list.

A follow up to the article on Woman of Stone

2008-03-03T14:19:00.000-08:00

This is going to be a short article, since I think we've adequately covered the truth about WOS for now. There has been a lot of drama over at the Purse Forum because one of our readers has been in contact with people over there, to let them know of what we wrote. Some of the people are upset there about what I wrote about their general lifestyle, and I'm not too concerned about that. They can be as upset as they wish as we have no need to have them as allies, we have no reason to make friends with them.

Here is the confusion they seem to have: We are not upset with Speedy/WomanofStone/BarbieBabe because she's a former member of the Perverted Justice forums. People are banned on a weekly basis on the PeeJ forums (not always members with thousands of posts, but a lot of trolls come through), and I don't waste my time writing about them or organizing research into their other online activities.

We write about WomanofStone/Speedy/BarbieBabe because she cuddles up to pedophiles, pedophile supporters, psychotics, and people who let their irrational hatreds get in the way of what is "right." Our concern here is with Corrupted Justice.com and what WOS/Speedy says about Perverted Justice.com and PeeJ members while she's there, while defending the likes of ZMAN, a registered sex offender. I can appreciate that the people at the Purse Forum don't understand the purpose of this blog while being directly linked to one article, but here's a quick summary.

There's a website called Perverted Justice.com. Perverted Justice.com is a watchdog organization that gets internet predators arrested while working with law enforcement and occasionally the media, such as Dateline NBC. Perverted Justice.com has well over 250 convictions while doing so. They've been around since 2003 in their current form

There's a website called Corrupted Justice.com. It was co-founded by a former member of NAMBLA as well as by a Canadian who isn't a pedophile but is just a really angry man who can't handle rejection. Since mid-2004, Corrupted Justice.com has published non-stop lies, has encouraged internet predators, has tried to keep predators from being arrested, and has provided a home to many predators, pedophiles, and registered sex offenders.

And so, we exist. Since Perverted Justice refuses to spend any time addressing their lies and their hosting of some sick people, we write about it instead.WOS/Speedy now makes her home at Corrupted Justice.com, lying about Perverted Justice members and its founder, all the while defending RSOs. This is our concern. Your forum just happened to come up as additional evidence into the truth about her personality. As seen in posts by the likes of "Jill," what we've said about her has been shown to be truth by your own members, and I'm glad you've been forced to recognize it. Otherwise, as I've already written, I don't really care about your shallow forum. We'll go back to fighting pedophiles, predators, and their supporters, and you'll go back to... writing about purses, and our contact with you will now cease. Best wishes!